Re: [Wikimedia-l] How many volunteers (not editors) does the movement have????
ImperfectlyInformed, 26/06/2014 02:14: I'm surprised no one seems to have mentioned that Part I, question 6 of the Form 990 which asks for total volunteers. For year 2011, 85,000 was the number year 2010 has 100,000. That's just the number of editors taken from WikiStats, as I believe the notes to the actual form 990 explain. You may have missed the movement in the subject line; the form 990 is only about WMF properties. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] How many volunteers (not editors) does the movement have????
Samuel Klein meta.sj@... writes: I think a better formulation of the question might be: do we have a list of non-editing activities, and do we have a count of the number of people who do them regularly? To which the answer is partially-yes, and mostly-no. Yes: There is a mindmap of activities and roles that was created and is fairly comprehensive. No: Some of those activities have related logs (lists of users by technical flag) or categories (list of users who have categorized their userpage), or pages (lists of OTRS or press contacts, lists of members or a project or organization). But I've never seen a division of these into active v. passive (committee work v. group membership), or a total count. SJ On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Johan Jönsson brevlistor at gmail.com wrote: 2014-06-22 13:59 GMT+02:00 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki at gmail.com: Wikimedia volunteers are self-organised, why would there be a list? Because we love making lists. That being said, Richard list wiki-specific positions like ArbCom, which I suppose would mean that volunteers for the Wikimedia Foundation should be understood in a broad sense, and if so, the answer is definitely no. Even when some lists exists, like the e.g. the press room list Benjamin linked, they're in no way complete. For example, the press contact for Wikimedia Sweden (which, of course, is technically not a volunteer position for Wikimedia Foundation, since the chapters are independent and sometimes do stuff that's not related to the Wikimedia movement) is listed, but Swedish-language Wikipedia has a volunteer press contact of its own, who isn't. //Johan Jönsson -- http://wikipediabloggen.se (emailing thru Gmane since I only track this thru RSS so my apologies if it comes out funky; I dislike the enormous email volume these lists generate) I'm surprised no one seems to have mentioned that Part I, question 6 of the Form 990 which asks for total volunteers. For year 2011, 85,000 was the number year 2010 has 100,000. See http://990finder.foundationcenter.org/990results.aspx?990_type=fn=wikimediast=zp=ei=fy=action=Find In addition, it is typical for directors and officers liability policies to ask for an estimate of the number of volunteers (no idea if WMF's insurer does, but when I last shopped for nonprofit DO it was a pretty standard question). While I doubt the IRS cares much about the accuracy of this particular number, the DO insurer can use a bad estimate as an excuse to void coverage due to material misrepresentation when a claim is filed. __ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request at lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] How many volunteers (not editors) does the movement have????
I agree they are but I'm interested in other volunteers who may or may not be editors. Thanks, Richard Original message From: Dirk Franke dirk.fra...@wikimedia.de Date: 22/06/2014 21:21 (GMT+10:00) To: rich...@ames.id.au,Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] How many volunteers (not editors) does the movement have Hi Richard, Just wondering: why are editors not volunteers? best, ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] How many volunteers (not editors) does the movement have????
Wikimedia volunteers are self-organised, why would there be a list? Richard Ames, 22/06/2014 13:12: volunteer positions which work for I smell a contradiction. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] How many volunteers (not editors) does the movement have????
There's no master list that I know of, but there are lists of each of those things: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/System_administrators#List https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developers/Accounts https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_room#Official_chapters https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/OTRS/Users https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Funds_Dissemination_Committee https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Members#Current_members Many of the people on those lists are not volunteers. I'm afraid you're on your own for aggregating the many lists of ArbCom members, mailing list moderators, and event coordinators. :-) On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 7:12 AM, Richard Ames rich...@ames.id.au wrote: Is there a listing of the volunteer positions which work for the Wikimedia Foundation? I can think of several areas people volunteer in: system operators, software development, public relations, correspondence management (OTRS), list moderation, event management, conflict resolution (Arbcom), Funds Distribution (FDC), Affiliations Committee, etc. How many are there? Regards, Richard. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] How many volunteers (not editors) does the movement have????
On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Benjamin Lees emufarm...@gmail.com wrote: Many of the people on those lists are not volunteers. How's your definition of volunteers? Alice. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] How many volunteers (not editors) does the movement have????
On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Alice Wiegand me.ly...@gmail.com wrote: How's your definition of volunteers? In this case, I just mean that some of the people on those lists are paid employees of the WMF or a chapter, so I can't guarantee that everyone on a list of volunteers is acting in a purely volunteer role. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] How many volunteers (not editors) does the movement have????
2014-06-22 13:59 GMT+02:00 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com: Wikimedia volunteers are self-organised, why would there be a list? Because we love making lists. That being said, Richard list wiki-specific positions like ArbCom, which I suppose would mean that volunteers for the Wikimedia Foundation should be understood in a broad sense, and if so, the answer is definitely no. Even when some lists exists, like the e.g. the press room list Benjamin linked, they're in no way complete. For example, the press contact for Wikimedia Sweden (which, of course, is technically not a volunteer position for Wikimedia Foundation, since the chapters are independent and sometimes do stuff that's not related to the Wikimedia movement) is listed, but Swedish-language Wikipedia has a volunteer press contact of its own, who isn't. //Johan Jönsson -- http://wikipediabloggen.se ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] How many volunteers (not editors) does the movement have????
I think a better formulation of the question might be: do we have a list of non-editing activities, and do we have a count of the number of people who do them regularly? To which the answer is partially-yes, and mostly-no. Yes: There is a mindmap of activities and roles that was created and is fairly comprehensive. No: Some of those activities have related logs (lists of users by technical flag) or categories (list of users who have categorized their userpage), or pages (lists of OTRS or press contacts, lists of members or a project or organization). But I've never seen a division of these into active v. passive (committee work v. group membership), or a total count. SJ On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Johan Jönsson brevlis...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-06-22 13:59 GMT+02:00 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com: Wikimedia volunteers are self-organised, why would there be a list? Because we love making lists. That being said, Richard list wiki-specific positions like ArbCom, which I suppose would mean that volunteers for the Wikimedia Foundation should be understood in a broad sense, and if so, the answer is definitely no. Even when some lists exists, like the e.g. the press room list Benjamin linked, they're in no way complete. For example, the press contact for Wikimedia Sweden (which, of course, is technically not a volunteer position for Wikimedia Foundation, since the chapters are independent and sometimes do stuff that's not related to the Wikimedia movement) is listed, but Swedish-language Wikipedia has a volunteer press contact of its own, who isn't. //Johan Jönsson -- http://wikipediabloggen.se ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] How many volunteers (not editors) does the movement have????
In that case, 'many people are not volunteers' is probably an overstatement :) At least for AffCom, FDC, OTRS are almost fully employees. The list of chapter people is much longer (boards alone: ~40 * 6 est. average = 240 people, all volunteers) than the list of press contacts. In Wiki Loves Monuments probably some 200-400 volunteers were involved too - but there is some overlap. All in all, I guess that we may end up around a thousand volunteers quite easily. Lodewijk 2014-06-22 17:43 GMT+02:00 Benjamin Lees emufarm...@gmail.com: On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Alice Wiegand me.ly...@gmail.com wrote: How's your definition of volunteers? In this case, I just mean that some of the people on those lists are paid employees of the WMF or a chapter, so I can't guarantee that everyone on a list of volunteers is acting in a purely volunteer role. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
