Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds Dissemination Process Advisory Group

2012-04-12 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 10 April 2012 17:51, Barry Newstead wrote: > If we simply select an FDC (btw - how would this happen?) and ask them to > figure out the issues for themselves, this would be a recipe for serious > challenges that could doom the FDC from the start. A relatively brief, but > structured process tha

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds Dissemination Process Advisory Group

2012-04-10 Thread Barry Newstead
Hi - I have created a list of issues to resolve in the FDC process on meta.[1] There are probably additional issues to resolve and it would be great if people would edit the list and start suggesting solutions. IMHO the list of issues is substantial and decisions on the approach to the design will

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds Dissemination Process Advisory Group

2012-04-10 Thread Samuel Klein
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > > But how many of those things are actually going to be difficult or > controversial? Shouldn't we at least try and answer them using our > standard approach of having an open discussion on a wiki? If it turns > out we can't answer them that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds Dissemination Process Advisory Group

2012-04-10 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 10 April 2012 13:56, Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote: > Sure > > "just about everything" > > as in > > 1) Who should be on this committee > 2) On what kind of requests should they form an opinion (not microgrants for > example) > 3) What are criteria > 4) What is the process/timeline > > + 401 other

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds Dissemination Process Advisory Group

2012-04-10 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede
On 10 apr. 2012, at 14:31, Thomas Dalton wrote: > On 10 April 2012 13:25, Christophe Henner wrote: >> Here is my understanding of the goal of this committee, but I might be >> wrong. >> >> The board defined the broader lines of the committee, but did not tackled >> the operational details. Brid

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds Dissemination Process Advisory Group

2012-04-10 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede
I was assuming that the questions were asked to Barry, who would know the answer. I would not presume to do it for him, and I do not know the best answer :) What I was literally reacting to was your assumption that because no one has told you why it is necessary, it must be unnecessary. I assum

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds Dissemination Process Advisory Group

2012-04-10 Thread Andrew Gray
On 10 April 2012 13:09, Thomas Dalton wrote: > I've asked a very simple question, could you answer it? What questions > do you want this process to answer? What it is about the FDC that we > don't yet know and need to devote a lot of time and money to working > out? The resolution basically says

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds Dissemination Process Advisory Group

2012-04-10 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 10 April 2012 13:25, Christophe Henner wrote: > Here is my understanding of the goal of this committee, but I might be > wrong. > > The board defined the broader lines of the committee, but did not tackled > the operational details. Bridgespan is there to work on that, and the > Advisory Groups

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds Dissemination Process Advisory Group

2012-04-10 Thread Chris Keating
> > > > I understand it represents some money to fly ~10 people to SF (though I > guess in the end those meetings would match other global meetings such as > Wikimedia Conference or Wikimania) every six month, but on the other hand > the FDC is gonna be in charge of disseminating ~30million USD, so

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds Dissemination Process Advisory Group

2012-04-10 Thread Christophe Henner
On 10 April 2012 14:09, Thomas Dalton wrote: > On 10 April 2012 12:57, Jan-Bart de Vreede > wrote: > > Why do you insist that overhead on getting this right is unnecessary? > Looking at the amount of money that this committee will distribute and the > importance of getting it right I would argue

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds Dissemination Process Advisory Group

2012-04-10 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 10 April 2012 12:57, Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote: > Why do you insist that overhead on getting this right is unnecessary? Looking > at the amount of money that this committee will distribute and the importance > of getting it right I would argue that a significant investment is more than > warr

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds Dissemination Process Advisory Group

2012-04-10 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede
Hi Thomas On 10 apr. 2012, at 13:24, Thomas Dalton wrote: > > >> Participation includes a free trip to San Fran on Saturday, June 9th: > > That is exactly my point - trips to SF as far from free and are > completely unnecessary. > in your view. Why do you insist that overhead on getting thi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds Dissemination Process Advisory Group

2012-04-10 Thread John Vandenberg
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 9:24 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > On 10 April 2012 12:17, John Vandenberg wrote: >> Go here: >> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Funds_Dissemination_Committee/FDC_Advisory_Group/Formation#Nominations_.28to_be_added_below.29 > > Do you really think I would be responding wit

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds Dissemination Process Advisory Group

2012-04-10 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 10 April 2012 12:17, John Vandenberg wrote: > Go here: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Funds_Dissemination_Committee/FDC_Advisory_Group/Formation#Nominations_.28to_be_added_below.29 Do you really think I would be responding without having read the relevant pages? > Participation includes

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds Dissemination Process Advisory Group

2012-04-10 Thread John Vandenberg
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > On 10 April 2012 10:02, Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote: >> Hi Thomas, >> >> Getting the FDC "right" will be the most important thing to being able to >> provide resources to chapters and others that have great plans that further >> our movement

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds Dissemination Process Advisory Group

2012-04-10 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 10 April 2012 10:02, Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote: > Hi Thomas, > > Getting the FDC "right" will be the most important thing to being able to > provide resources to chapters and others that have great plans that further > our movement goals. Doing this in a transparent and open way is an importan

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Volunteers Wanted: Funds Dissemination Process Advisory Group

2012-04-10 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede
Hi Thomas, Getting the FDC "right" will be the most important thing to being able to provide resources to chapters and others that have great plans that further our movement goals. Doing this in a transparent and open way is an important requirement to getting it right. Not sure why you would w