Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediameta-l] An alternative model for grant funding

2015-02-25 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 15-02-25 09:37 AM, Edward Saperia wrote: if they hit their fundraising target [...] Your idea is provocative, and intriguing, but I think that - at least in this form - it is doomed to fail because it actually steps around what makes kickstarter-like crowdfunding work. (a) people put

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediameta-l] An alternative model for grant funding

2015-02-25 Thread Edward Saperia
This reminds me of a slightly heretical idea I had a while ago while thinking about crowdfunding and WMF fundraising... Currently the WMF raises money via site banners, and spends these on programmes and disburses them via grants, which go to all kinds of projects - education, outreach,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediameta-l] An alternative model for grant funding

2015-02-25 Thread Sydney Poore
I'm pretty concerned that the systematic biases in the wikimedia movement would be continued if there was no organized effort to do a comprehensive review of all proposals to see where we are lacking diversity. I'm in favor of having more focused funding calls like the Inspire Gender Gap campaign.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediameta-l] An alternative model for grant funding

2015-02-25 Thread Edward Saperia
Of course you're very correct that there are many projects sitting around asking for scrutiny - the difference here is the (potential of) funding would be default yes instead of default no, with the discussion just around the priority. I expect that would attract a lot more attention very quickly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediameta-l] An alternative model for grant funding

2015-02-25 Thread Edward Saperia
I'm not sure you've understood correctly. In my proposed system, people propose projects and these projects are advertised on the centralnotice banners. When clicked on, readers are taken to the individual project pages and donate to them directly, rather than donating into a central pot. (a)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediameta-l] An alternative model for grant funding

2015-02-25 Thread Sydney Poore
In your scheme, items would not get moved up to be considered if they are not popular enough, right? From my experience working on wikimedia global committees, it would be likely that the volume of requests would be much larger than the capacity of the wikimedia movement to evaluate them. People

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediameta-l] An alternative model for grant funding

2015-02-25 Thread Edward Saperia
Well, you could create a guideline that said In the interest of innovation, we should try and fund a diversity of projects and then with the community hash out what dimensions you care about for diversity in this context, and how far from equality you are happy to go without artificial

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediameta-l] An alternative model for grant funding

2015-02-25 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 15-02-25 11:15 AM, Edward Saperia wrote: I'm not sure you've understood correctly. In my proposed system, people propose projects and these projects are advertised on the centralnotice banners. Ah, I indeed hadn't. My understanding was that you wanted to substitute for the grants