Re: [Wikimedia-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-16 Thread Harry Burt
Tom Morris wrote: > Perhaps the engineering team are a bit too busy trying to fix complicated > parser bugs to meet ... your ludicrously high expectations > I can't see that there's any need to be sarky. Sure, Gerard didn't frame his point in the way I would have done, but it doesn't mean he's vo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Samuel Klein
Fantastic early Christmas present is fantastic. On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Richard Ames wrote: > James - > > Thanks for the opportunity to road test your work and to ignore it if I > want. > > Open is what it is all about.. > > Regards, Richard. > > On 12/12/12 14:30, James Forrester

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Richard Ames
James - Thanks for the opportunity to road test your work and to ignore it if I want. Open is what it is all about.. Regards, Richard. On 12/12/12 14:30, James Forrester wrote: Why launch now? We want our community of existing editors to get an idea of what the VisualEditor will look

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Tom Morris
On Wednesday, 12 December 2012 at 20:29, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Terry with respect, an alpha release that is not even ready to be used in > the scripts and languages of Wikipedia is not worthy of the designation > alpha. It has pointed out for more than a year that the > internationalisation of t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread geni
On 12 December 2012 20:29, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > > Terry with respect, an alpha release that is not even ready to be used in > the scripts and languages of Wikipedia is not worthy of the designation > alpha. Err do you know what alpha means in a software context? >It has pointed out fo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Terry with respect, an alpha release that is not even ready to be used in the scripts and languages of Wikipedia is not worthy of the designation alpha. It has pointed out for more than a year that the internationalisation of the visual editor needs serious attention. The notion that internat

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Terry Chay
Gerard, As James pointed out before launch[1], there are two distinct parts of the VisualEditor project: the Visual Editor and the Parsoid. The original intent was to also launch on one or two other language wikis to test the alpha. I believe VisualEditor messages have already been i18n'd to be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Mathieu Stumpf
Le mercredi 12 décembre 2012 à 11:24 -0800, James Forrester a écrit : > On 12 December 2012 02:58, Andrea Zanni wrote: > > dont' forget sister projects > > Absolutely. One of my particular concerns over the next few months is > understand how other non-Wikipedia wikis using MediaWiki (primarily >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread James Forrester
On 12 December 2012 02:58, Andrea Zanni wrote: > dont' forget sister projects Absolutely. One of my particular concerns over the next few months is understand how other non-Wikipedia wikis using MediaWiki (primarily Wikimedia's, but others' too) work, and in what ways we will need to add in flexi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I agree that it is of great use to any and all projects. No argument there. My point is that when it works for any Devanagari language Wikipedia it will work equally well for the corresponding Devanagari Wikibooks. The one thing particular to the English Wikipedia is that it has its own hardw

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Andrea Zanni
> > Hoi, > The point is not so much sister projects [snip] Well, let me disagree. A project like Wikisource could potentially benefit more than Pedia from a visual editor, given the amount of time we spend in formatting our books... If we could reproduce easily frontpages and typography, we coul

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Nicole Ebber
Yay! Great news, thank you so much for your outstanding work. \o/ I was just about to ask the same question as Stevie: Would you like us to spread the word publicly or better keep it more internal/to the community for now? Thanks, Nicole On 12 December 2012 11:47, Stevie Benton wrote: > Excelle

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Stevie Benton
Excellent job, James and team! I hope you don't mind me sharing the details on the WMUK blog. Thanks, Stevie On 12 December 2012 10:34, Patricio Lorente wrote: > Looks great! Congrats James and team! > > Patricio > > 2012/12/12 Liam Wyatt : > > On Wedne

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Patricio Lorente
Looks great! Congrats James and team! Patricio 2012/12/12 Liam Wyatt : > On Wednesday, 12 December 2012, Bishakha Datta wrote: >> >> >> I'm just imagining how much easier it will be to do wiki workshops and >> outreach sessions as this develops further. >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-11 Thread Liam Wyatt
On Wednesday, 12 December 2012, Bishakha Datta wrote: > > > I'm just imagining how much easier it will be to do wiki workshops and > outreach sessions as this develops further. > > YES! When this is the default for new users we're going to have to re-write all the training manuals to remove many of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-11 Thread Risker
On 11 December 2012 22:30, James Forrester wrote: > TL;DR: Today we are launching an alpha, opt-in version of the > VisualEditor[0] to the English Wikipedia. This will let editors create > and modify real articles visually, using a new system where the > articles they edit will look the same as w

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-11 Thread Liam Wyatt
I just made my first, very minor, edit using the Visual Editor alpha. I feel paraphrasing Neil Armstrong is appropriate here: This is one small edit for a Wikipedian, one giant leap for Wikimedia. My most enthusiastic congratulations James and the whole team working on this project. We all know it

[Wikimedia-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-11 Thread James Forrester
TL;DR: Today we are launching an alpha, opt-in version of the VisualEditor[0] to the English Wikipedia. This will let editors create and modify real articles visually, using a new system where the articles they edit will look the same as when you read them, and their changes show up as they type en