Re: [Wikimedia-l] Bitcoin now accepted, but there are privacy concerns

2014-07-31 Thread Pine W
This may be technically possible but it may also be time consuming to implement, and and in the interest of using Fundriasing Tech time in optimal ways it may be that preserving donor anonymity from the IRS is a lower priority if the Foundation can meet its fundraising goals without doing this. I t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Bitcoin now accepted, but there are privacy concerns

2014-07-31 Thread Liam Wyatt
On 31 July 2014 16:17, David Gerard wrote: > On 31 July 2014 15:00, Chris Keating wrote: > > > In that case how would the Foundation tell if someone made a number of > > donations of under $1k that were declarable in aggregate? > > > They couldn't, obviously. > > I find myself unsurprised that,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Bitcoin now accepted, but there are privacy concerns

2014-07-31 Thread David Gerard
On 31 July 2014 15:00, Chris Keating wrote: > In that case how would the Foundation tell if someone made a number of > donations of under $1k that were declarable in aggregate? They couldn't, obviously. I find myself unsurprised that, after finally getting the validation they've been after for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Bitcoin now accepted, but there are privacy concerns

2014-07-31 Thread Chris Keating
In that case how would the Foundation tell if someone made a number of donations of under $1k that were declarable in aggregate? Hi Lisa, I admit I am not an expert in U.S. tax law, so I could be entirely misinterpreting it. But my read of the IRS instructions are that donors who donate more than

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Bitcoin now accepted, but there are privacy concerns

2014-07-30 Thread Mark
Hi Lisa, I admit I am not an expert in U.S. tax law, so I could be entirely misinterpreting it. But my read of the IRS instructions are that donors who donate more than $5000 in one year must be reported, *except* that any single donation of less than $1000 may be discounted when calculating

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Bitcoin now accepted, but there are privacy concerns

2014-07-30 Thread Pine W
Hi Lisa, Thank you for the explanation. Can you post that in the blog entry and on the donation page? I understand how calculating annual limits might be more trouble than it's worth from WMF's point of view. Thanks, Pine On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Lisa Gruwell wrote: > Hi Pine- > > The t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Bitcoin now accepted, but there are privacy concerns

2014-07-30 Thread Lisa Gruwell
Hi Pine- The threshold is an aggregate limit in a calendar year. If we were to limit the donation amount to under $5000, a person could give several donations that totaled over $5000 in a single year (which happens) and then we would not be compliance. Instead of trying to create a spike for eve

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Bitcoin now accepted, but there are privacy concerns

2014-07-30 Thread Pine W
Heh. If this discussion gets too technical we can move it off-list. At the moment if Fundraising just wants to say "we'll work on this for future improvenents to the Bitcoin donation system" and posting that statement in the blog entry and the donation screen would be ok IMO. I am rarely satisfied

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Bitcoin now accepted, but there are privacy concerns

2014-07-30 Thread Pete Forsyth
Sure -- I think it's a perfectly legitimate question to ask, and reasonable discussion to have. It just appeared to me that you were expecting a detailed explanation from the chief revenue officer, which didn't seem like a reasonable expectation. Maybe I was wrong though. If others want to use this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Bitcoin now accepted, but there are privacy concerns

2014-07-30 Thread Pine W
In the crowdsourced world, I like to think that we evaluate ideas and programs based on their merits rather than who makes a decision. I grant that some heirarchy is good and necessary, and in this case the heirarchy made a reasoned decision to include Bitcoin in the donation options, and did so in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Bitcoin now accepted, but there are privacy concerns

2014-07-30 Thread Pete Forsyth
Pine, I think Lisa already answered your question -- it's complicated. It's possible (based on my limited knowledge, anyway) that what you suggest is possible; but she never said it was impossible. She said it was the safest approach, given a complicated scenario. This is her professional expertise

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Bitcoin now accepted, but there are privacy concerns

2014-07-30 Thread Pine W
Hi Lisa, Hm, that is different from my understanding of the IRC. You are required to offer a receipt, not to actually send one if the donor declines, right? Then you could have a checkbox to disable personal info and the receipt. You could also enable anonymous donations under $5000 or whatever th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Bitcoin now accepted, but there are privacy concerns

2014-07-30 Thread Lisa Gruwell
As Andrew said, it is complicated. We decided that asking for the information was the safest approach and best enables to comply with U.S. laws as well as laws in other countries. For example, we are required to send a receipt for tax purposes to U.S. donors who give over a certain amount and we

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Bitcoin now accepted, but there are privacy concerns

2014-07-30 Thread Pine W
Nonprofits in the US are only required to report major donors AFAIK. Bitcoins aren't assets with more complicated transfer rules like real estate or stock shares. Simple property donations like a can of food for a food bank don't require identification info. Pine On Jul 30, 2014 1:01 PM, "Andrew G

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Bitcoin now accepted, but there are privacy concerns

2014-07-30 Thread Andrew Gray
Hi Pine, The IRS link includes the note that: "A payment made using virtual currency is subject to information reporting to the same extent as any other payment made in property." - no expert, but I suspect this is the explanation. Because the IRS treat bitcoin as "property" (like, eg, shares) r

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Bitcoin now accepted, but there are privacy concerns

2014-07-30 Thread Steven Walling
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Pine W wrote: > There is a post on the blog saying that bitcoin is accepted but there are > several questions about why WMF is asking for contact info. Is that an IRS > requirement? Might want to post the reason in the blog entry. AFAIK with > the nonprofits I do

[Wikimedia-l] Bitcoin now accepted, but there are privacy concerns

2014-07-30 Thread Pine W
There is a post on the blog saying that bitcoin is accepted but there are several questions about why WMF is asking for contact info. Is that an IRS requirement? Might want to post the reason in the blog entry. AFAIK with the nonprofits I donate to none require personal info for small contributions