Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor safety and anonymity: ending IP address exposure?

2016-11-18 Thread rupert THURNER
On Nov 18, 2016 05:09, "Gergo Tisza" wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Brion Vibber > wrote: > > > 1) Eliminate IP address exposure for non-logged-in editors. Those editors > > should be either given a random, truly anonymous identifier, or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor safety and anonymity: ending IP address exposure?

2016-11-18 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 11:09 PM, Gergo Tisza wrote: > > the ability to claim recent anonymous edits when you register. > Here, here. I'm sure my IP address is lying around in lots of places in the wikidump because I forgot to log in or my cookie expired and I never

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor safety and anonymity: ending IP address exposure?

2016-11-17 Thread Gergo Tisza
On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Brion Vibber wrote: > 1) Eliminate IP address exposure for non-logged-in editors. Those editors > should be either given a random, truly anonymous identifier, or required to > create a pseudonym as a login. > I filed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor safety and anonymity: ending IP address exposure?

2016-11-12 Thread Todd Allen
In addition, we'd be making significantly more difficult the detection and mitigation of abusive anonymous editing. Currently, when someone edits as an IP, gets blocked, resets their router, and changes the last octet, we can easily tell they're socking around a block. And to mitigate that, we can

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor safety and anonymity: ending IP address exposure?

2016-11-12 Thread Vi to
Honestly I cannot find pros since it's a free choice to edit without logging, so it's not up to me to find them :D if it would depend solely on me this thread would even exist ;) Meanwhile I weight in the biggest con: the inability to use rangeblocks and an unacceptable weakening of our ability

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor safety and anonymity: ending IP address exposure?

2016-11-12 Thread Lodewijk
While it is tempting to start with cons, I think for most of the community members, the question will be: 'what alternatives are there to accomplish more or less the same' with regards to fighting vandalism and sockpuppetry. And answering that question would start with describing how we actually

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor safety and anonymity: ending IP address exposure?

2016-11-12 Thread Pete Forsyth
A fully enumerated list of "cons" would be an important place to start. Wikimedians and WMF have long promoted the existence of stuff ike the "Congress edits" twitter account, which reports account-less edits from capitol hill. We often block high school IP addresses at certain times in the

[Wikimedia-l] Editor safety and anonymity: ending IP address exposure?

2016-11-12 Thread Brion Vibber
The biggest privacy problem in Wikipedia has always been the permanent public exposure of casual editors' IP addresses. Secondarily, we store logged-in editors' IP addresses for a limited time, exposing all editors' IP addresses to access by staff and volunteer accounts which could be stolen or