Re: [Wikimedia-l] Input needed: Cooperation with zoos?

[Balázs Viczián]

Thanks :)

We spent ~100k HUF on each. That is ~330 EUR or ~$450 per project.

Balazs

2014-05-30 2:04 GMT+02:00 Daniel Mietchen :

> That looks impressive, Balazs - thanks to the Hungarian community!
>
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> On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 12:42 AM, Balázs Viczián
>  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I haven't heared any issues with animal treatment in Hungarian zoos
> > (moreover the news I can recall reports continous improvement, like
> > expanding getting renovated/modernised, etc.)
> >
> > I have no idea about the Serbian ones or the rest of the world.
> >
> > We've just completed a QR-project with a zoo in Hungary; it might be
> > interesting for you.
> >
> > Find the documentation (google translator needed as it is in
> > Hungarian-only) here:
> >
> http://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia%3AMiskolc-m%C5%B1hely%2FGLAM-ZOO
> >
> > in short: 80 articles were (mostly significantly) improved plus 34 new
> > created (114 articles in total) and the same number of QR codes put out
> and
> > our cooperation won't stop here :)
> >
> > If you're concerned about animal treatment, think about something else
> > then, for example botanical gardens :)
> >
> > Also a QRpedia project, also recently completed, but not finished (as the
> > cooperation will continue beyond mainenance) with the country's largest
> and
> > most prestigeous botanical garden and also Hungarian-only documentation:
> >
> http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:N%C3%B6v%C3%A9nyek_m%C5%B1helye/V%C3%A1cr%C3%A1t%C3%B3t
> >
> > Both were conducted by Wikipedia project groups thus both had a team of
> > editors behind them.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Balazs
> > 2014.05.29. 23:45, "Milos Rancic"  ezt írta:
> >
> >> There is ongoing Microgrants project in Wikimedia Serbia. In brief, we
> >> asked people to give us ideas, so we could talk about them. There are
> >> some interesting ideas and a number of not so relevant.
> >>
> >> We've got the offer to cooperate with one of the zoos from Serbia. At
> >> this moment of time, there is just their idea, nothing more precise.
> >>
> >> Before I proceed with the application (give suggestion to WMRS Board),
> >> I want your input. In reality, I don't know that any zoo is perfect in
> >> relation to the treatment of animals. In reality, it's likely
> >> impossible to check that, as well as animal rights are not that well
> >> protected in Serbia like the case is in, let's say, in the most of EU
> >> countries.
> >>
> >> So, I am interested in prevalent opinion. What's more important to us:
> >> free knowledge or not cooperating with an institution which likely has
> >> issues with the treatment of animals -- the question is just about the
> >> level.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Input needed: Cooperation with zoos?

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On 30 May 2014 16:29, Jon Davies  wrote:
> Roger Bamkin has done some QR work with Sofaia zoo I think.

No need to speculate, a full report is available at
.
It was a Bulgarian Wikipedian project with a WMF supporting grant of
$3,600.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Input needed: Cooperation with zoos?

[Jon Davies]

Roger Bamkin has done some QR work with Sofaia zoo I think.

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On 29 May 2014 23:42, Balázs Viczián  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I haven't heared any issues with animal treatment in Hungarian zoos
> (moreover the news I can recall reports continous improvement, like
> expanding getting renovated/modernised, etc.)
>
> I have no idea about the Serbian ones or the rest of the world.
>
> We've just completed a QR-project with a zoo in Hungary; it might be
> interesting for you.
>
> Find the documentation (google translator needed as it is in
> Hungarian-only) here:
>
> http://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia%3AMiskolc-m%C5%B1hely%2FGLAM-ZOO
>
> in short: 80 articles were (mostly significantly) improved plus 34 new
> created (114 articles in total) and the same number of QR codes put out and
> our cooperation won't stop here :)
>
> If you're concerned about animal treatment, think about something else
> then, for example botanical gardens :)
>
> Also a QRpedia project, also recently completed, but not finished (as the
> cooperation will continue beyond mainenance) with the country's largest and
> most prestigeous botanical garden and also Hungarian-only documentation:
>
> http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:N%C3%B6v%C3%A9nyek_m%C5%B1helye/V%C3%A1cr%C3%A1t%C3%B3t
>
> Both were conducted by Wikipedia project groups thus both had a team of
> editors behind them.
>
> Cheers,
> Balazs
> 2014.05.29. 23:45, "Milos Rancic"  ezt írta:
>
> > There is ongoing Microgrants project in Wikimedia Serbia. In brief, we
> > asked people to give us ideas, so we could talk about them. There are
> > some interesting ideas and a number of not so relevant.
> >
> > We've got the offer to cooperate with one of the zoos from Serbia. At
> > this moment of time, there is just their idea, nothing more precise.
> >
> > Before I proceed with the application (give suggestion to WMRS Board),
> > I want your input. In reality, I don't know that any zoo is perfect in
> > relation to the treatment of animals. In reality, it's likely
> > impossible to check that, as well as animal rights are not that well
> > protected in Serbia like the case is in, let's say, in the most of EU
> > countries.
> >
> > So, I am interested in prevalent opinion. What's more important to us:
> > free knowledge or not cooperating with an institution which likely has
> > issues with the treatment of animals -- the question is just about the
> > level.
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Input needed: Cooperation with zoos?

[Milos Rancic]

Thanks for clarificatiom! I see that the rule is basically not to care
about animal rights issues, which is fine with me. ("We don't know about
the issues" in relation to this matter is equal to "we don't know that war
kills".)

I won't go with environmentalist groups, as they are here either
dilettantes or corrupted or both. But thanks Daniel, we'll contact you when
they write application (at this moment, we just have their idea).
On May 30, 2014 2:04 AM, "Daniel Mietchen" 
wrote:

> That looks impressive, Balazs - thanks to the Hungarian community!
>
> Daniel
> --
>
> http://www.naturkundemuseum-berlin.de/en/institution/mitarbeiter/mietchen-daniel/
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Daniel_Mietchen/Publications
> http://okfn.org
> http://wikimedia.org
>
>
> On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 12:42 AM, Balázs Viczián
>  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I haven't heared any issues with animal treatment in Hungarian zoos
> > (moreover the news I can recall reports continous improvement, like
> > expanding getting renovated/modernised, etc.)
> >
> > I have no idea about the Serbian ones or the rest of the world.
> >
> > We've just completed a QR-project with a zoo in Hungary; it might be
> > interesting for you.
> >
> > Find the documentation (google translator needed as it is in
> > Hungarian-only) here:
> >
> http://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia%3AMiskolc-m%C5%B1hely%2FGLAM-ZOO
> >
> > in short: 80 articles were (mostly significantly) improved plus 34 new
> > created (114 articles in total) and the same number of QR codes put out
> and
> > our cooperation won't stop here :)
> >
> > If you're concerned about animal treatment, think about something else
> > then, for example botanical gardens :)
> >
> > Also a QRpedia project, also recently completed, but not finished (as the
> > cooperation will continue beyond mainenance) with the country's largest
> and
> > most prestigeous botanical garden and also Hungarian-only documentation:
> >
> http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:N%C3%B6v%C3%A9nyek_m%C5%B1helye/V%C3%A1cr%C3%A1t%C3%B3t
> >
> > Both were conducted by Wikipedia project groups thus both had a team of
> > editors behind them.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Balazs
> > 2014.05.29. 23:45, "Milos Rancic"  ezt írta:
> >
> >> There is ongoing Microgrants project in Wikimedia Serbia. In brief, we
> >> asked people to give us ideas, so we could talk about them. There are
> >> some interesting ideas and a number of not so relevant.
> >>
> >> We've got the offer to cooperate with one of the zoos from Serbia. At
> >> this moment of time, there is just their idea, nothing more precise.
> >>
> >> Before I proceed with the application (give suggestion to WMRS Board),
> >> I want your input. In reality, I don't know that any zoo is perfect in
> >> relation to the treatment of animals. In reality, it's likely
> >> impossible to check that, as well as animal rights are not that well
> >> protected in Serbia like the case is in, let's say, in the most of EU
> >> countries.
> >>
> >> So, I am interested in prevalent opinion. What's more important to us:
> >> free knowledge or not cooperating with an institution which likely has
> >> issues with the treatment of animals -- the question is just about the
> >> level.
> >>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Input needed: Cooperation with zoos?

[Daniel Mietchen]

That looks impressive, Balazs - thanks to the Hungarian community!

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On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 12:42 AM, Balázs Viczián
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I haven't heared any issues with animal treatment in Hungarian zoos
> (moreover the news I can recall reports continous improvement, like
> expanding getting renovated/modernised, etc.)
>
> I have no idea about the Serbian ones or the rest of the world.
>
> We've just completed a QR-project with a zoo in Hungary; it might be
> interesting for you.
>
> Find the documentation (google translator needed as it is in
> Hungarian-only) here:
> http://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia%3AMiskolc-m%C5%B1hely%2FGLAM-ZOO
>
> in short: 80 articles were (mostly significantly) improved plus 34 new
> created (114 articles in total) and the same number of QR codes put out and
> our cooperation won't stop here :)
>
> If you're concerned about animal treatment, think about something else
> then, for example botanical gardens :)
>
> Also a QRpedia project, also recently completed, but not finished (as the
> cooperation will continue beyond mainenance) with the country's largest and
> most prestigeous botanical garden and also Hungarian-only documentation:
> http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:N%C3%B6v%C3%A9nyek_m%C5%B1helye/V%C3%A1cr%C3%A1t%C3%B3t
>
> Both were conducted by Wikipedia project groups thus both had a team of
> editors behind them.
>
> Cheers,
> Balazs
> 2014.05.29. 23:45, "Milos Rancic"  ezt írta:
>
>> There is ongoing Microgrants project in Wikimedia Serbia. In brief, we
>> asked people to give us ideas, so we could talk about them. There are
>> some interesting ideas and a number of not so relevant.
>>
>> We've got the offer to cooperate with one of the zoos from Serbia. At
>> this moment of time, there is just their idea, nothing more precise.
>>
>> Before I proceed with the application (give suggestion to WMRS Board),
>> I want your input. In reality, I don't know that any zoo is perfect in
>> relation to the treatment of animals. In reality, it's likely
>> impossible to check that, as well as animal rights are not that well
>> protected in Serbia like the case is in, let's say, in the most of EU
>> countries.
>>
>> So, I am interested in prevalent opinion. What's more important to us:
>> free knowledge or not cooperating with an institution which likely has
>> issues with the treatment of animals -- the question is just about the
>> level.
>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Input needed: Cooperation with zoos?

[Balázs Viczián]

Hi,

I haven't heared any issues with animal treatment in Hungarian zoos
(moreover the news I can recall reports continous improvement, like
expanding getting renovated/modernised, etc.)

I have no idea about the Serbian ones or the rest of the world.

We've just completed a QR-project with a zoo in Hungary; it might be
interesting for you.

Find the documentation (google translator needed as it is in
Hungarian-only) here:
http://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia%3AMiskolc-m%C5%B1hely%2FGLAM-ZOO

in short: 80 articles were (mostly significantly) improved plus 34 new
created (114 articles in total) and the same number of QR codes put out and
our cooperation won't stop here :)

If you're concerned about animal treatment, think about something else
then, for example botanical gardens :)

Also a QRpedia project, also recently completed, but not finished (as the
cooperation will continue beyond mainenance) with the country's largest and
most prestigeous botanical garden and also Hungarian-only documentation:
http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:N%C3%B6v%C3%A9nyek_m%C5%B1helye/V%C3%A1cr%C3%A1t%C3%B3t

Both were conducted by Wikipedia project groups thus both had a team of
editors behind them.

Cheers,
Balazs
2014.05.29. 23:45, "Milos Rancic"  ezt írta:

> There is ongoing Microgrants project in Wikimedia Serbia. In brief, we
> asked people to give us ideas, so we could talk about them. There are
> some interesting ideas and a number of not so relevant.
>
> We've got the offer to cooperate with one of the zoos from Serbia. At
> this moment of time, there is just their idea, nothing more precise.
>
> Before I proceed with the application (give suggestion to WMRS Board),
> I want your input. In reality, I don't know that any zoo is perfect in
> relation to the treatment of animals. In reality, it's likely
> impossible to check that, as well as animal rights are not that well
> protected in Serbia like the case is in, let's say, in the most of EU
> countries.
>
> So, I am interested in prevalent opinion. What's more important to us:
> free knowledge or not cooperating with an institution which likely has
> issues with the treatment of animals -- the question is just about the
> level.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Input needed: Cooperation with zoos?

[Daniel Mietchen]

Hi Milos,

I agree with Nemo that finding an additional non-zoo partner would be
a good thing and that it's worth having a close look at the project
with Sofia Zoo, which he linked in his post. Perhaps you could ask the
applicants to review that project and to outline similarities and
differences to theirs? I am available to review their application.

Daniel

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On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 12:12 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo)
 wrote:
> Milos Rancic, 29/05/2014 23:44:
>
>> animal rights are not that well
>> protected in Serbia like the case is in, let's say, in the most of EU
>> countries.
>
>
> Surely they have some studies on what's their compliance with EU standards
> by now? Serbia is quite close to entering EU (if you forget Kosovo).
>
>
>>
>> So, I am interested in prevalent opinion. What's more important to us:
>> free knowledge or not cooperating with an institution which likely has
>> issues with the treatment of animals -- the question is just about the
>> level.
>
>
> That's definitely the biggest concern.
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/?diff=6234463&oldid=5789546
> As for moral considerations, if you're unsure, outsource them: have a
> partnership with the zoo only if you can find an animalist/environmentalist
> association willing to join the effort. If you manage, you have an
> achievement before even starting, i.e. an ally for future initiatives like
> WikiLovesMonuments or education or whatever (examples made with Italian WWF
> and Legambiente in mind; no idea of the situation in Serbia).
>
> Nemo
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Input needed: Cooperation with zoos?

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Milos Rancic, 29/05/2014 23:44:

animal rights are not that well
protected in Serbia like the case is in, let's say, in the most of EU
countries.


Surely they have some studies on what's their compliance with EU 
standards by now? Serbia is quite close to entering EU (if you forget 
Kosovo).




So, I am interested in prevalent opinion. What's more important to us:
free knowledge or not cooperating with an institution which likely has
issues with the treatment of animals -- the question is just about the
level.


That's definitely the biggest concern. 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/?diff=6234463&oldid=5789546
As for moral considerations, if you're unsure, outsource them: have a 
partnership with the zoo only if you can find an 
animalist/environmentalist association willing to join the effort. If 
you manage, you have an achievement before even starting, i.e. an ally 
for future initiatives like WikiLovesMonuments or education or whatever 
(examples made with Italian WWF and Legambiente in mind; no idea of the 
situation in Serbia).


Nemo

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[Wikimedia-l] Input needed: Cooperation with zoos?

[Milos Rancic]

There is ongoing Microgrants project in Wikimedia Serbia. In brief, we
asked people to give us ideas, so we could talk about them. There are
some interesting ideas and a number of not so relevant.

We've got the offer to cooperate with one of the zoos from Serbia. At
this moment of time, there is just their idea, nothing more precise.

Before I proceed with the application (give suggestion to WMRS Board),
I want your input. In reality, I don't know that any zoo is perfect in
relation to the treatment of animals. In reality, it's likely
impossible to check that, as well as animal rights are not that well
protected in Serbia like the case is in, let's say, in the most of EU
countries.

So, I am interested in prevalent opinion. What's more important to us:
free knowledge or not cooperating with an institution which likely has
issues with the treatment of animals -- the question is just about the
level.

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