Re: [Wikimedia-l] License issue on GPL and CC-by-sa mix up
2013/2/24 Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com: Why We don't change your license in pages that gonna receive this content? (I know this is not the best license ever made, but why always the other need to be adapt to us, not the opposite?) Using GPL license for textual content hardly make any sense... It puts users to a kind of uncertainty what he/she really can do with it as the license does not contain explanation what is allowed to do with content, which is not a piece of software. Open wiki textual content has to be uniformly licensed as every edit is from legal POV creation of derivative work of previous version. -- Tomek Polimerek Ganicz http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polimerek http://www.ganicz.pl/poli/ http://www.cbmm.lodz.pl/work.php?id=29title=tomasz-ganicz ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] License issue on GPL and CC-by-sa mix up
Ok, I really understand that, but with they those GFDL? What we can do? On 24 February 2013 06:54, Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/2/24 Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com: Why We don't change your license in pages that gonna receive this content? (I know this is not the best license ever made, but why always the other need to be adapt to us, not the opposite?) Using GPL license for textual content hardly make any sense... It puts users to a kind of uncertainty what he/she really can do with it as the license does not contain explanation what is allowed to do with content, which is not a piece of software. Open wiki textual content has to be uniformly licensed as every edit is from legal POV creation of derivative work of previous version. -- Tomek Polimerek Ganicz http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polimerek http://www.ganicz.pl/poli/ http://www.cbmm.lodz.pl/work.php?id=29title=tomasz-ganicz ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] License issue on GPL and CC-by-sa mix up
Hello, One of my favorite wikimedia project is the wiktionary, I probably use it everyday and I like to contribute on the french chapter here and there. As I'm learning esperanto, I wanted to improve the french wiktionary on this topic. My first thought was to begin by gathering a list of vocabulary, make a todo page with links and go on. But I found that there is already a free/libre dictionary out there : Reta Vortaro[1]. Morever this dictionary provide definition in several languages, so I thought instead of making a word by word contribution only for the french chapter, I could add a whole esperanto dictionary to several chapters in once. It sounds great doesn't it ? Unfortunately, this dictionary is under GPL which is a well known free license (but a strange choice for a non-software project). So I would like to know, can I mix up a GPL content with a CC-by-sa page (in cases where such a page already exist), and more generaly can I add GPL content into the wiktionary. If no, could we approach their community and ask them for a relicensing under CC-by-sa, so we could add their great work into our wiktionaries. I also send this message to email I found to contact them[2]. Kind regards, mathieu [1] http://purl.org/NET/voko/revo/ [2] http://reta-vortaro.de/revo/dok/revolist.html ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] License issue on GPL and CC-by-sa mix up
On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.org wrote: One of my favorite wikimedia project is the wiktionary, I probably use it everyday and I like to contribute on the french chapter here and there. As I'm learning esperanto, I wanted to improve the french wiktionary on this topic. My first thought was to begin by gathering a list of vocabulary, make a todo page with links and go on. But I found that there is already a free/libre dictionary out there : Reta Vortaro[1]. Morever this dictionary provide definition in several languages, so I thought instead of making a word by word contribution only for the french chapter, I could add a whole esperanto dictionary to several chapters in once. It sounds great doesn't it ? Unfortunately, this dictionary is under GPL which is a well known free license (but a strange choice for a non-software project). So I would like to know, can I mix up a GPL content with a CC-by-sa page (in cases where such a page already exist), and more generaly can I add GPL content into the wiktionary. No. What you stumbled upon is a well-known (at least to me) problem of share-alike licences: The only thing they are two-way compatible with is themselves. Even if one would have a different license with exactly the same meaning, it would not be possible to move texts from that license to CC-BY-SA (or GPL or whatever) or vice versa. -- André Engels, andreeng...@gmail.com ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] License issue on GPL and CC-by-sa mix up
On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Mathieu Stumpf wrote: Unfortunately, this dictionary is under GPL which is a well known free license (but a strange choice for a non-software project). So I would like to know, can I mix up a GPL content with a CC-by-sa page (in cases where such a page already exist), and more generaly can I add GPL content into the wiktionary. No. If no, could we approach their community and ask them for a relicensing under CC-by-sa, so we could add their great work into our wiktionaries. I also send this message to email I found to contact them[2]. Sure, that would be great. On 23/02/13 11:51, Andre Engels wrote: No. What you stumbled upon is a well-known (at least to me) problem of share-alike licences: The only thing they are two-way compatible with is themselves. Even if one would have a different license with exactly the same meaning, it would not be possible to move texts from that license to CC-BY-SA (or GPL or whatever) or vice versa. There are a few cases where sharealike licenses include provisions for compatible licenses. Sadly, the license owners don't seem too interested in advacing in that front. See for instance the list at http://creativecommons.org/compatiblelicenses ...which is empty. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] License issue on GPL and CC-by-sa mix up
On 23 February 2013 20:29, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: There are a few cases where sharealike licenses include provisions for compatible licenses. Sadly, the license owners don't seem too interested in advacing in that front. Not completely, to be fair - e.g. GFDL 1.3 including a port-to-CC-by-sa option *just for us* - but it does take considerable work and negotiation. - d. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
