Re: [Wikimedia-l] May 5: Update on Wikimedia movement strategy process (#15)

2017-05-08 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Yes but we are speaking about Turkey. Kiwix is offline but also *portable*. It's sufficient to download once and to distribute many times. Kind regards Il 08 Mag 2017 12:11, "Gabriel Thullen" ha scritto: > Yes, we need to promote Kiwix. We need to ensure that people with no > internet access c

Re: [Wikimedia-l] May 5: Update on Wikimedia movement strategy process (#15)

2017-05-08 Thread Gabriel Thullen
Yes, we need to promote Kiwix. We need to ensure that people with no internet access can get Kiwix and that means that we do need to "clone Wikipedia content". It is quite expensive to download Kiwix because of the huge data charge that it implies, and it also takes for ever with a poor connection.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] May 5: Update on Wikimedia movement strategy process (#15)

2017-05-08 Thread Bodhisattwa Mandal
We need to promote Kiwix - definitely, but should we promote Wikipedia zero? May be not, unless the issue of net neutrality is clearly addressed. We need to remember that some countries had to ban different zero services, as they clearly violated net neutrality and people were against them. Regard

Re: [Wikimedia-l] May 5: Update on Wikimedia movement strategy process (#15)

2017-05-08 Thread Ilario Valdelli
In these cases the big advantage is the capacity to be cloned. A governement can block an ip or a domain but it would be hard to block internet. The good approach is to invite the web to host kiwix and zim files for downloading. That would be easier than cloning Wikipedia content. However that ap

Re: [Wikimedia-l] May 5: Update on Wikimedia movement strategy process (#15)

2017-05-07 Thread Gabriel Thullen
I agree with James that we need to encourage initiatives like Kiwix Wikipedia Zero. We need to be able to distribute Kiwix in countries that have blocked Wikipedia, because it is no big deal for a government to block the Kiwix.org site as well, and phone operators providing Wikipedia Zero will have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] May 5: Update on Wikimedia movement strategy process (#15)

2017-05-07 Thread James Heilman
The issues occurring in Turkey highlight that we may also need to keep in mind: * Access over the next 15 years. Where access is not only potentially hindered by governments but also technical and monetary realities in various country and region. We of course have already worked and continue to d