Re: [Wikimedia-l] My choice for ED
I understand your reasoning, but we already have an extremely difficult time finding a suitable candidate. While such community vetting would definitely weed out the people we don't want, it will also slim down the pool we do want, which currently sits around a cool 0. I don't think we can afford that either. On Feb 1, 2014 4:47 PM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure dismissively calling people's legitimate concerns playing with (a) toy will help greatly in that regard. If someone's going to apply for a job where they'll be scrutinized by a large volunteer community, it is not unreasonable to determine if they can withstand that type of scrutiny by a real world test, nor to find whether they'll be responsive and direct to concerns brought up when that happens. The community has had enough of diplomatic null statements with lots of words, and should be. Someone needs to give an answer, not just blather on and wind up saying nothing concrete at all. It is right for the community to be fed up with that and demand that a candidate go through that process. Yes, it would be hard. Yes, it would discourage some applicants. Those are the applicants we want to discourage. We want someone who fits well with our particular project, and who will be responsive and direct with our volunteer community. They are the underpinnings of every project WMF undertakes. Todd Allen On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 8:13 AM, Tony Souter to...@iinet.net.au wrote: Folks: are we still playing with this toy? I've sat here and watched this discourse - variously frivolous, slightly insulting, and embarrassing - and said nothing in the hope it would just fizzle away. But amazingly, it's still here. We have to accept that while crowdsourcing is the genius of Wikipedia and a few of its sister projects, it's totally inappropriate for choosing the executive director of a big, prominent Foundation that lives in a competitive, complex, and often negative jungle. There's a bunch of reasons for doing this largely away from the gaze of the rest of the world. Do I really need to spell them out? It would be good to move on to more useful and practical topics. Tony On 02/02/2014, at 1:32 AM, Benjamin Lees emufarm...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 3:29 AM, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote: Chad, I wonder if Rory has been considered. (: Given his history of biting newbies, I'm not sure he'd be in a good position to help solve the editor retention problem. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] My choice for ED
Tony Souter, 01/02/2014 16:13: [...] totally inappropriate for choosing the executive director [...] in a competitive, complex, and often negative jungle. You shouldn't be blaming Rory for her origin in the jungle. Please refrain from commenting on specific candidates, especially if your comment doesn't comply with WMF's HR policies. https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Non_discrimination_policy https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Pluralism,_internationalism,_and_diversity_policy Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] My choice for ED
Oh what on earth are you talking about? I have no idea who Rory is. You need to withdraw your libelous comment. Tony On 03/02/2014, at 10:10 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Tony Souter, 01/02/2014 16:13: [...] totally inappropriate for choosing the executive director [...] in a competitive, complex, and often negative jungle. You shouldn't be blaming Rory for her origin in the jungle. Please refrain from commenting on specific candidates, especially if your comment doesn't comply with WMF's HR policies. https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Non_discrimination_policy https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Pluralism,_internationalism,_and_diversity_policy Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] My choice for ED
Rory is the Legal mascot, and is indeed a tiger (though some say it is stuffed, I wouldn't bank on it). See http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Rory and http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff_and_contractors under legal On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Tony Souter to...@iinet.net.au wrote: Oh what on earth are you talking about? I have no idea who Rory is. You need to withdraw your libelous comment. Tony On 03/02/2014, at 10:10 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Tony Souter, 01/02/2014 16:13: [...] totally inappropriate for choosing the executive director [...] in a competitive, complex, and often negative jungle. You shouldn't be blaming Rory for her origin in the jungle. Please refrain from commenting on specific candidates, especially if your comment doesn't comply with WMF's HR policies. https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Non_discrimination_policy https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Pluralism,_internationalism,_and_diversity_policy Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] My choice for ED
To me, these proposals always sound a bit like: We want this person to be resilient and good-humoured. So we're going to punch all our possible candidates in the face a few times and see where they want to go from there. I know that's not the intention, but it's certainly the plausible effect... Andrew. On Monday, 3 February 2014, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','martijnhoeks...@gmail.com'); wrote: I understand your reasoning, but we already have an extremely difficult time finding a suitable candidate. While such community vetting would definitely weed out the people we don't want, it will also slim down the pool we do want, which currently sits around a cool 0. I don't think we can afford that either. On Feb 1, 2014 4:47 PM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure dismissively calling people's legitimate concerns playing with (a) toy will help greatly in that regard. If someone's going to apply for a job where they'll be scrutinized by a large volunteer community, it is not unreasonable to determine if they can withstand that type of scrutiny by a real world test, nor to find whether they'll be responsive and direct to concerns brought up when that happens. The community has had enough of diplomatic null statements with lots of words, and should be. Someone needs to give an answer, not just blather on and wind up saying nothing concrete at all. It is right for the community to be fed up with that and demand that a candidate go through that process. Yes, it would be hard. Yes, it would discourage some applicants. Those are the applicants we want to discourage. We want someone who fits well with our particular project, and who will be responsive and direct with our volunteer community. They are the underpinnings of every project WMF undertakes. Todd Allen On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 8:13 AM, Tony Souter to...@iinet.net.au wrote: Folks: are we still playing with this toy? I've sat here and watched this discourse - variously frivolous, slightly insulting, and embarrassing - and said nothing in the hope it would just fizzle away. But amazingly, it's still here. We have to accept that while crowdsourcing is the genius of Wikipedia and a few of its sister projects, it's totally inappropriate for choosing the executive director of a big, prominent Foundation that lives in a competitive, complex, and often negative jungle. There's a bunch of reasons for doing this largely away from the gaze of the rest of the world. Do I really need to spell them out? It would be good to move on to more useful and practical topics. Tony On 02/02/2014, at 1:32 AM, Benjamin Lees emufarm...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 3:29 AM, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote: Chad, I wonder if Rory has been considered. (: Given his history of biting newbies, I'm not sure he'd be in a good position to help solve the editor retention problem. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] My choice for ED
If the transition team declined the entire first panel of candidates I think we can AGF that they're being careful. Also, it's wrong to take out current complaints with WMF on the executive candidates who may want to make positive change. Pine Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 11:31:45 + From: Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-l] My choice for ED Message-ID: CAE4f==c3qct78+j8bvnseu9aff0m7t3oftijl8seokf6svy...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 To me, these proposals always sound a bit like: We want this person to be resilient and good-humoured. So we're going to punch all our possible candidates in the face a few times and see where they want to go from there. I know that's not the intention, but it's certainly the plausible effect... Andrew. On Monday, 3 February 2014, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','martijnhoeks...@gmail.com'); wrote: I understand your reasoning, but we already have an extremely difficult time finding a suitable candidate. While such community vetting would definitely weed out the people we don't want, it will also slim down the pool we do want, which currently sits around a cool 0. I don't think we can afford that either. On Feb 1, 2014 4:47 PM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure dismissively calling people's legitimate concerns playing with (a) toy will help greatly in that regard. If someone's going to apply for a job where they'll be scrutinized by a large volunteer community, it is not unreasonable to determine if they can withstand that type of scrutiny by a real world test, nor to find whether they'll be responsive and direct to concerns brought up when that happens. The community has had enough of diplomatic null statements with lots of words, and should be. Someone needs to give an answer, not just blather on and wind up saying nothing concrete at all. It is right for the community to be fed up with that and demand that a candidate go through that process. Yes, it would be hard. Yes, it would discourage some applicants. Those are the applicants we want to discourage. We want someone who fits well with our particular project, and who will be responsive and direct with our volunteer community. They are the underpinnings of every project WMF undertakes. Todd Allen On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 8:13 AM, Tony Souter to...@iinet.net.au wrote: Folks: are we still playing with this toy? I've sat here and watched this discourse - variously frivolous, slightly insulting, and embarrassing - and said nothing in the hope it would just fizzle away. But amazingly, it's still here. We have to accept that while crowdsourcing is the genius of Wikipedia and a few of its sister projects, it's totally inappropriate for choosing the executive director of a big, prominent Foundation that lives in a competitive, complex, and often negative jungle. There's a bunch of reasons for doing this largely away from the gaze of the rest of the world. Do I really need to spell them out? It would be good to move on to more useful and practical topics. Tony On 02/02/2014, at 1:32 AM, Benjamin Lees emufarm...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 3:29 AM, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote: Chad, I wonder if Rory has been considered. (: Given his history of biting newbies, I'm not sure he'd be in a good position to help solve the editor retention problem. ___ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] My choice for ED
How could you say no to a face like this? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kitty_meowing.jpg Have a good weekend everyone :) -Chad ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] My choice for ED
On 1 February 2014 18:29, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote: Chad, I wonder if Rory has been considered. (: Pine Who can say no to the HR penguin? http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:Stuffed_penguin.JPG. I wonder if She/He has been bestowed the privilege of a name? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] My choice for ED
How could you say no to a face like this? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kitty_meowing.jpg Is that the same angst-offsetting kitten as on j.mp/heygooglers ? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] My choice for ED
On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 3:29 AM, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote: Chad, I wonder if Rory has been considered. (: Given his history of biting newbies, I'm not sure he'd be in a good position to help solve the editor retention problem. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] My choice for ED
Folks: are we still playing with this toy? I've sat here and watched this discourse – variously frivolous, slightly insulting, and embarrassing – and said nothing in the hope it would just fizzle away. But amazingly, it's still here. We have to accept that while crowdsourcing is the genius of Wikipedia and a few of its sister projects, it's totally inappropriate for choosing the executive director of a big, prominent Foundation that lives in a competitive, complex, and often negative jungle. There's a bunch of reasons for doing this largely away from the gaze of the rest of the world. Do I really need to spell them out? It would be good to move on to more useful and practical topics. Tony On 02/02/2014, at 1:32 AM, Benjamin Lees emufarm...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 3:29 AM, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote: Chad, I wonder if Rory has been considered. (: Given his history of biting newbies, I'm not sure he'd be in a good position to help solve the editor retention problem. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] My choice for ED
I'm sure dismissively calling people's legitimate concerns playing with (a) toy will help greatly in that regard. If someone's going to apply for a job where they'll be scrutinized by a large volunteer community, it is not unreasonable to determine if they can withstand that type of scrutiny by a real world test, nor to find whether they'll be responsive and direct to concerns brought up when that happens. The community has had enough of diplomatic null statements with lots of words, and should be. Someone needs to give an answer, not just blather on and wind up saying nothing concrete at all. It is right for the community to be fed up with that and demand that a candidate go through that process. Yes, it would be hard. Yes, it would discourage some applicants. Those are the applicants we want to discourage. We want someone who fits well with our particular project, and who will be responsive and direct with our volunteer community. They are the underpinnings of every project WMF undertakes. Todd Allen On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 8:13 AM, Tony Souter to...@iinet.net.au wrote: Folks: are we still playing with this toy? I've sat here and watched this discourse - variously frivolous, slightly insulting, and embarrassing - and said nothing in the hope it would just fizzle away. But amazingly, it's still here. We have to accept that while crowdsourcing is the genius of Wikipedia and a few of its sister projects, it's totally inappropriate for choosing the executive director of a big, prominent Foundation that lives in a competitive, complex, and often negative jungle. There's a bunch of reasons for doing this largely away from the gaze of the rest of the world. Do I really need to spell them out? It would be good to move on to more useful and practical topics. Tony On 02/02/2014, at 1:32 AM, Benjamin Lees emufarm...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 3:29 AM, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote: Chad, I wonder if Rory has been considered. (: Given his history of biting newbies, I'm not sure he'd be in a good position to help solve the editor retention problem. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
