Re: [Wikimedia-l] No internet censorship in Hong Kong

2012-05-11 Thread Deryck Chan
Not a problem. Many east and south-east Asian countries' citizens enjoy visa-free access to Hong Kong ( http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:HK_Visa_Policy.png ). Visa-on-demand for business or leisure travel is also available for residents of most major cities in mainland China and all of Guang

Re: [Wikimedia-l] No internet censorship in Hong Kong

2012-05-11 Thread Katie Chan
On 11/05/2012 21:16, Kim Bruning wrote: Right. My concern about Israel was that almost no one from the surrounding area would be able to visit. (This turned out to be accurate, but it was too late to fix). Will many people from surrounding countries be able to visit .hk without problems? If

Re: [Wikimedia-l] No internet censorship in Hong Kong

2012-05-11 Thread David Gerard
On 11 May 2012 21:10, Kim Bruning wrote: > On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 01:23:58AM +0100, Katie Chan wrote: >> If the community want to include anti-censorship (and or numerous other >> possible complaints) as one of the requirements, then good luck finding >> any city in the world to host Wikimania.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] No internet censorship in Hong Kong

2012-05-11 Thread Kim Bruning
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 03:46:20PM -0700, James Alexander wrote: > It does, at least at some level, seem to be an argument (usually from > different people) every Wikimania. There just isn't a way to have it in a > place that everyone is happy with (especially if you want to rotate around > the wor

Re: [Wikimedia-l] No internet censorship in Hong Kong

2012-05-11 Thread Kim Bruning
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 01:23:58AM +0100, Katie Chan wrote: > On 11/05/2012 00:14, Tom Morris wrote: > > > In the bidding process, there rightly are some minimum standards, > > specifically with regards to freedom of speech laws and whether or not > > the cities in question are welcoming to reli

Re: [Wikimedia-l] No internet censorship in Hong Kong

2012-05-11 Thread Anirudh Bhati
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 5:53 AM, Katie Chan wrote: > If people have a problem with one of the most multi-ethnic, multicultural > & number 1 ranked index of economic freedom place in the world with > constitutional guarantee of freedom of speech and press, then I give > up. > +1 Hong Kon

Re: [Wikimedia-l] No internet censorship in Hong Kong

2012-05-10 Thread Katie Chan
On 11/05/2012 00:14, Tom Morris wrote: In the bidding process, there rightly are some minimum standards, > specifically with regards to freedom of speech laws and whether or not > the cities in question are welcoming to religious and LGBT minorities. > If we wish to include anti-censorship as o

Re: [Wikimedia-l] No internet censorship in Hong Kong

2012-05-10 Thread Tom Morris
On Thursday, 10 May 2012 at 22:49, Nathan wrote: > This is a similar argument to those made against Egypt or Israel etc. It's > a facile and false notion that holding Wikimania in a particular city is an > implicit political endorsement for the national government of the host > city. You could just

Re: [Wikimedia-l] No internet censorship in Hong Kong

2012-05-10 Thread Richard Symonds
I must admit I had concerns, but they're allayed considerably by the statement that HK is fiscally independent from the PRC. Hopefully having such a free event in an area of the world where freedom of information is in relatively short supply will do wonderful things for the movement and the world!

Re: [Wikimedia-l] No internet censorship in Hong Kong

2012-05-10 Thread James Alexander
It does, at least at some level, seem to be an argument (usually from different people) every Wikimania. There just isn't a way to have it in a place that everyone is happy with (especially if you want to rotate around the world. I'd also point remind people that among all of the places Wikimania h

Re: [Wikimedia-l] No internet censorship in Hong Kong

2012-05-10 Thread Itzik Edri
+1. I totally agree with Nathan. On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 12:49 AM, Nathan wrote: > This is a similar argument to those made against Egypt or Israel etc. It's > a facile and false notion that holding Wikimania in a particular city is an > implicit political endorsement for the national government

Re: [Wikimedia-l] No internet censorship in Hong Kong

2012-05-10 Thread Nathan
This is a similar argument to those made against Egypt or Israel etc. It's a facile and false notion that holding Wikimania in a particular city is an implicit political endorsement for the national government of the host city. You could just as easily interpret it in the opposite manner - holding

Re: [Wikimedia-l] No internet censorship in Hong Kong

2012-05-10 Thread Deryck Chan
Todd, I'm afraid you've mistaken. Hong Kong is fiscally independent from the rest of China, and not a single cent of the Hong Kong government's income is passed on to the PRC government in Beijing. Deryck On 10 May 2012 22:27, Todd Allen wrote: > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Deryck Chan > w

Re: [Wikimedia-l] No internet censorship in Hong Kong

2012-05-10 Thread Mingli Yuan
Hi, Todd and all, I don't think WMF support any regime implicitly which censor the online speech. I am from Mainland China, I hate the censorship, I had did some small steps to against it just as lots of our friends on Chinese Wikipedia. The only thing I want to talk is that small changes are ta

Re: [Wikimedia-l] No internet censorship in Hong Kong

2012-05-10 Thread Todd Allen
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Deryck Chan wrote: > Dear all, > > It has come to the attention of the Wikimania 2013 Hong Kong organizing > team that there may be confusion over the situation of internet censorship > in China and whether it affects Hong Kong. [1] > > We would like to clarify tha

Re: [Wikimedia-l] No internet censorship in Hong Kong

2012-05-10 Thread Deryck Chan
Dear all, It has come to the attention of the Wikimania 2013 Hong Kong organizing team that there may be confusion over the situation of internet censorship in China and whether it affects Hong Kong. [1] We would like to clarify that, although Hong Kong has been nominally part of the People's Rep