Re: [Wikimedia-l] Stop the New Privacy Policy until Lila is Thoroughly Briefed on It, Countdown 14 Hours

2014-06-06 Thread Jon Davies
+1 Not easy. On 6 June 2014 18:52, Richard Symonds wrote: > +1... Well done Michelle! > On 6 Jun 2014 18:46, "Dan Rosenthal" wrote: > > > Echoing Luis's shout-out to Michelle for such a colossal achievement. > > > > > > Dan Rosenthal > > > > > > "P.S. Let me take this opportunity to again

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Stop the New Privacy Policy until Lila is Thoroughly Briefed on It, Countdown 14 Hours

2014-06-06 Thread Richard Symonds
+1... Well done Michelle! On 6 Jun 2014 18:46, "Dan Rosenthal" wrote: > Echoing Luis's shout-out to Michelle for such a colossal achievement. > > > Dan Rosenthal > > > "P.S. Let me take this opportunity to again thank Michelle Paulson for her > work leading this process; all told, it has bee

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Stop the New Privacy Policy until Lila is Thoroughly Briefed on It, Countdown 14 Hours

2014-06-06 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Echoing Luis's shout-out to Michelle for such a colossal achievement. Dan Rosenthal "P.S. Let me take this opportunity to again thank Michelle Paulson for her work leading this process; all told, it has been something like 18 months of work for her. And that is only the start for her - now

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Stop the New Privacy Policy until Lila is Thoroughly Briefed on It, Countdown 14 Hours

2014-06-06 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 06/06/2014 06:14 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: > Regardless of the merits of the policy, which others have addressed, > and with all due respect to Lila, her arrival has no bearing on this. And, unless I am mistaken, adoption of the policy was an act of the Board of Trustees who are, quite literally,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Stop the New Privacy Policy until Lila is Thoroughly Briefed on It, Countdown 14 Hours

2014-06-06 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 5 June 2014 17:21, Trillium Corsage wrote: > I am writing to ask that the new privacy policy be stopped, pending briefings > of and thorough consideration by the incoming executive director Lila > Tretikov. Regardless of the merits of the policy, which others have addressed, and with all due

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Stop the New Privacy Policy until Lila is Thoroughly Briefed on It, Countdown 14 Hours

2014-06-06 Thread Gryllida
On Fri, 6 Jun 2014, at 5:02, Trillium Corsage wrote: > They're going to behave better if they know they can be held accountable for > their actions. That's not something you can force on people. People can easily be anonymous by means of generic nicknames, shared IPs and whatnot - even releas

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Stop the New Privacy Policy until Lila is Thoroughly Briefed on It, Countdown 14 Hours

2014-06-05 Thread Trillium Corsage
To Luis and others, First thank you for responding. Now, you referred to WMF lawyer Michelle Paulson's "excellent blog post," yes I suppose it is that. It's a terrific marketing document and piece of salesmanship, with feel-good phrases like "the Wikimedia way is unique," "open and collaborat

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Stop the New Privacy Policy until Lila is Thoroughly Briefed on It, Countdown 14 Hours

2014-06-05 Thread
On 5 June 2014 18:33, Luis Villa wrote: ... > If you still have concerns, please put them on the talk page. Just like we > did this time around, we'll review all those comments and incorporate them > when we next revise the policy, or, if appropriate, incorporate it into the > FAQ. We're also stil

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Stop the New Privacy Policy until Lila is Thoroughly Briefed on It, Countdown 14 Hours

2014-06-05 Thread Trillium Corsage
Dear Mr. Brigham, Excuse me, I should have copied you in the email I sent to the Wikimedia-l list I sent a few minutes ago, because I mentioned you in it. Here: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2014-June/072499.html. Trillium Corsage

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Stop the New Privacy Policy until Lila is Thoroughly Briefed on It, Countdown 14 Hours

2014-06-05 Thread Luis Villa
Hi, Trillium and others- The privacy policy has been the subject of one of the most extensive public discussions we've ever done. It was announced here repeatedly, was bannered extensively to give all readers and editors an opportunity to participate, and was open for discussion for nearly six mon

[Wikimedia-l] Stop the New Privacy Policy until Lila is Thoroughly Briefed on It, Countdown 14 Hours

2014-06-05 Thread Trillium Corsage
I am writing to ask that the new privacy policy be stopped, pending briefings of and thorough consideration by the incoming executive director Lila Tretikov. The timing of this major policy change with all its implications, including great legal implications, is at minimum discourteous to Ms. Tr

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Stop the New Privacy Policy until Lila is Thoroughly Briefed on It, Countdown 14 Hours

2014-06-05 Thread Nathan
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > Nathan, 05/06/2014 18:46: > > As a result, the finished policy has rightly garnered a lot of support and >> approval, >> > > {{citation needed}} > > https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/05/07/launching-a-privacy-policy-built-the-wiki-way/

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Stop the New Privacy Policy until Lila is Thoroughly Briefed on It, Countdown 14 Hours

2014-06-05 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Nathan, 05/06/2014 18:46: As a result, the finished policy has rightly garnered a lot of support and approval, {{citation needed}} ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lis

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Stop the New Privacy Policy until Lila is Thoroughly Briefed on It, Countdown 14 Hours

2014-06-05 Thread Nathan
I think your concerns are way overblown, and you mishcaracterize or misunderstand the nature of the data collection that occurs. You also fail to even mention that there are safeguards that apply to how the data is used and how long it is retained. Far from escaping accountability, the WMF privacy

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Stop the New Privacy Policy until Lila is Thoroughly Briefed on It, Countdown 14 Hours

2014-06-05 Thread Rand McRanderson
I think this is all information that is generally collected by server log files. Ie, I do not think there is anything special being collected On Jun 5, 2014 12:21 PM, "Trillium Corsage" wrote: > I am writing to ask that the new privacy policy be stopped, pending > briefings of and thorough consid