Re: [Wikimedia-l] Transparency about Wikimania costs

2012-10-12 Thread Itzik Edri 
The venue was given by the municipality as part of their sponsorship.

The chapters just gave scholarships in 2011, not financial support.

Itzik

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On Oct 12, 2012 3:07 PM, "Delirium"  wrote:

> On 10/12/12 12:40 AM, Itzik Edri wrote:
>
>> Just want to inform that WMIL published Wikimania 2011 budget breakdown:
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Wikimania_2011/Budget
>>
>
> Thanks for the information; it's quite useful to see these kinds of things.
>
> Two minor questions about the numbers. I don't see an item for conference
> venue rental/fees, which is often a major cost. Was Wikimania given free
> use of the venue? Or is that part of another category, such as Logistics?
> And, I see "support by chapters" listed as 0, but  wikimedia.org/ > lists 5 chapters as
> sponsors.
>
> -Mark
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Transparency about Wikimania costs

2012-10-12 Thread Delirium 

On 10/12/12 12:40 AM, Itzik Edri wrote:

Just want to inform that WMIL published Wikimania 2011 budget breakdown:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2011/Budget


Thanks for the information; it's quite useful to see these kinds of things.

Two minor questions about the numbers. I don't see an item for 
conference venue rental/fees, which is often a major cost. Was Wikimania 
given free use of the venue? Or is that part of another category, such 
as Logistics? And, I see "support by chapters" listed as 0, but 
 lists 5 chapters as sponsors.


-Mark


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Transparency about Wikimania costs

2012-10-11 Thread Itzik Edri 
Hi,

Just want to inform that WMIL published Wikimania 2011 budget breakdown:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2011/Budget

Again,
I'm encouraging others chapters to update 2012 table with their delegation
costs, supports and the general cost of Wikimania 2012. I know the WMF is
now finalizing their data and will publish it soon:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2012/Budget


On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Itzik Edri  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Jessie started to work on a page that shown breakdown of the scholarships
> given in 2012, by the WMF and the chapters - and the cost.
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania/Scholarships/2012
>
> I think it's great, but we need to share much more information about "how
> much Wikimania cost to the movement".
>
> Wikimania is our biggest and most expensive event\project - and the costs
> spread around movement. Beside scholarships, the chapters and the WMF
> spending money on their staff and boards - and this also need to
> be transparent. When we know Wikimedia Israel gave 4 scholarships for
> people from Israel, the WMF gave another two - this is not the full
> picture. WMIL also sent paid for the travel of one board member. In some
> others chapters the numbers are much bigger (staff+board).
>
> Also, we have WMF and Chapters support to the conference itself.
>
> I published here Wikimania 2011 costs & income:
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania/2011/Budget
>
> I'm not asking everyone now to start digging for their costs in 2011, but
> I think we can start do it from this year.
>
> I posted here WMIL travel costs:
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania/2012/Budget/Chapters
>
> I'll be happy if the chapters and the WMF can post their costs also
> and I'm encouraging Wikimania 2012 local team also to post
> their conference costs and incomes.
>
> I think this transparency is important, and this knowledge about the total
> costs to the movement is also important to others who planning Wikimania in
> the future.
>
>
> Itzik
> WMIL
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Transparency about Wikimania costs

2012-09-21 Thread Risker 
No, they should not.  Those applications contain a very significant amount
of private information.

Risker/Anne

On 21 September 2012 17:22, JP Béland  wrote:

> I also think all recipients should be publicy disclosed as long with
> their applications for transparency purposes (on the same way all
> grants are publicy disclosed with the GAC process). It`s impossible
> for this year, but we should think of include this info in next year
> application process.
>
> JP
>
>
> 2012/9/21, Itzik Edri :
> > On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo)
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Thank you very much for starting this discussion and publishing this.
> >> In the past I've had a really hard time finding some data, e.g. for 2009
> >> all I found is this: https://meta.wikimedia.org/**
> >> wiki/Wikimania_2009#Expenses<
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2009#Expenses>
> >> See also the related discussion here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/**
> >> wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_budget#**Wikimania_travel_question<
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_budget#Wikimania_travel_question
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks, I didn't know about this discussion. Thank you for sharing this.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Transparency about Wikimania costs

2012-09-21 Thread JP Béland 
I also think all recipients should be publicy disclosed as long with
their applications for transparency purposes (on the same way all
grants are publicy disclosed with the GAC process). It`s impossible
for this year, but we should think of include this info in next year
application process.

JP


2012/9/21, Itzik Edri :
> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo)
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you very much for starting this discussion and publishing this.
>> In the past I've had a really hard time finding some data, e.g. for 2009
>> all I found is this: https://meta.wikimedia.org/**
>> wiki/Wikimania_2009#Expenses
>> See also the related discussion here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/**
>> wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_budget#**Wikimania_travel_question
>
>
>
> Thanks, I didn't know about this discussion. Thank you for sharing this.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Transparency about Wikimania costs

2012-09-21 Thread Itzik Edri 
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo)
wrote:

> Thank you very much for starting this discussion and publishing this.
> In the past I've had a really hard time finding some data, e.g. for 2009
> all I found is this: https://meta.wikimedia.org/**
> wiki/Wikimania_2009#Expenses
> See also the related discussion here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/**
> wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_budget#**Wikimania_travel_question



Thanks, I didn't know about this discussion. Thank you for sharing this.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Transparency about Wikimania costs

2012-09-21 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo) 

Itzik Edri, 21/09/2012 21:33:

I published here Wikimania 2011 costs & income:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania/2011/Budget


Thank you very much for starting this discussion and publishing this.
In the past I've had a really hard time finding some data, e.g. for 2009 
all I found is this: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2009#Expenses
See also the related discussion here: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_budget#Wikimania_travel_question




I'm not asking everyone now to start digging for their costs in 2011, but I
think we can start do it from this year.

I posted here WMIL travel costs:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania/2012/Budget/Chapters


WMIT travel costs are, I believe, detailed enough in the annual 
financial report, so I hope it won't be too hard to collect such data.

(I've taken the liberty to do some copyediting.)


I'll be happy if the chapters and the WMF can post their costs also
and I'm encouraging Wikimania 2012 local team also to post
their conference costs and incomes.

I think this transparency is important, and this knowledge about the total
costs to the movement is also important to others who planning Wikimania in
the future.


I also think that full details should be disclosed on wikimaniateam 
wiki, internal wiki or whatever, so that future teams know.


Nemo

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[Wikimedia-l] Transparency about Wikimania costs

2012-09-21 Thread Itzik Edri 
Hi,

Jessie started to work on a page that shown breakdown of the scholarships
given in 2012, by the WMF and the chapters - and the cost.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania/Scholarships/2012

I think it's great, but we need to share much more information about "how
much Wikimania cost to the movement".

Wikimania is our biggest and most expensive event\project - and the costs
spread around movement. Beside scholarships, the chapters and the WMF
spending money on their staff and boards - and this also need to
be transparent. When we know Wikimedia Israel gave 4 scholarships for
people from Israel, the WMF gave another two - this is not the full
picture. WMIL also sent paid for the travel of one board member. In some
others chapters the numbers are much bigger (staff+board).

Also, we have WMF and Chapters support to the conference itself.

I published here Wikimania 2011 costs & income:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania/2011/Budget

I'm not asking everyone now to start digging for their costs in 2011, but I
think we can start do it from this year.

I posted here WMIL travel costs:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania/2012/Budget/Chapters

I'll be happy if the chapters and the WMF can post their costs also
and I'm encouraging Wikimania 2012 local team also to post
their conference costs and incomes.

I think this transparency is important, and this knowledge about the total
costs to the movement is also important to others who planning Wikimania in
the future.


Itzik
WMIL
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