On 04/08/2012 00:44, Mike Linksvayer wrote:
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 3:38 PM, ??? wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote:
On 03/08/2012 16:24, Mike Linksvayer wrote:
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 5:14 AM, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk
wrote:
The proposal was floated by Jimmy Wales on the 10th of december, 1
I am afraid that is not how it feels at all. It's more like organising a
giant volunteer effort to provide a market stall handing out free sweets
and cakes for anyone who wants some. The stall is very popular, and many
people chip in, bringing in cakes they've baked and candy they've made. And
bhar...@wikimedia.org wrote:
This is inserting a conspiracy theory where one does not exist.
The English Wikipedia community voted on the blackout and directed it
into existence, not the Foundation. We merely facilitated.
The proposal was floated by Jimmy Wales on the
Hi,
Man, what a talent for story telling! But I don't think you story
represents anything close to WP. First comparing copying digital
content illegally with stealing cakes is a very bad analogy. That's
what the industry wants us to believe, and you falled by the trick.
Then I don't think people
(warning, tl;dr!)
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*@Andreas - *I understand your sentiment, but in a reasoning way, I find I
don't agree with that assessment. For what it's worth, I edit a lot on law
- one of my GAs is a Supreme Court case, numerous others worked on, it's an
area I like, and I tend to read full rulings like
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 5:14 AM, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote:
bhar...@wikimedia.org wrote:
This is inserting a conspiracy theory where one does not exist.
The English Wikipedia community voted on the blackout and directed it
into existence, not the Foundation. We merely
Long as it's getting top-posted anyway...
First, copying is not and cannot be theft. That's not to say it's
always legally or ethically acceptable, mind you, but it's not theft.
In legal terms, there was a court case over that particular matter,
that ruled someone could not be charged on a
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 6:07 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
My question, more directly, is: if the SOPA action from January 2012
were held in August 2012 (following the implementation of this new statement
from the General Counsel's office), would it be considered a community
On 3 August 2012 19:12, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com wrote:
I agree that the community retains the authority to reach its own decisions
about future actions of this type. I think the policy should be understood
primarily as something the foundation will adhere to in its operations, not
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote:
We do everything in our power to prevent
the problem, but it would be absolutely cost prohibitive to do it 100%
with the difference being that fine grained, and this law gives you
the right to shut us down if we can't hit
How come these concerns weren't brought up months ago when the reflection
about the blackout was posted to meta?
It seems that right now Andreas, you are the main opponent of something that
already happened and no one can change.
I'd just post your concerns to meta and stop this talking in
Sarah,
Well, for one I was not aware that there was a reflection about the
blackout posted on Meta. A link would be appreciated. Thanks.
Secondly, four or five months ago I would not have been aware of various
events on the timeline that preceded the blackout.
Third, this is an ongoing
Hi -
Actually, it looks like there are a few places where people can share
their thoughts, etc. about SOPA/Blackoutness:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/English_Wikipedia_anti-SOPA_blackout
and other things related but not:
Michael Snow writes:
Perhaps worth adding, I think it's fair to say that these reviews did
take place with respect to the use of Wikimedia Foundation resources in
the context of the January SOPA protest. They didn't necessarily follow
the form of the current policy, since it didn't exist yet,
Stephen LaPorte wrote:
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 6:07 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
My question, more directly, is: if the SOPA action from January 2012
were held in August 2012 (following the implementation of this new statement
from the General Counsel's office), would it be
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 3:38 PM, ??? wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote:
On 03/08/2012 16:24, Mike Linksvayer wrote:
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 5:14 AM, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk
wrote:
The proposal was floated by Jimmy Wales on the 10th of december, 1
day after a Creative Commons Board meeting,
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 11:12 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Why are there so many various levels and steps if it's not a determination
about principles and about whether a particular cause meets Wikimedia's
mission? This is what's confusing me.
People on the talk page at Meta-Wiki
Andreas makes a really important point below. Now that I read it from his
perspective, it seems like what we're dealing with here is a surreptitious
attempt by the General Counsel to hijack the Wikimedia Foundation and its
projects to serve their covert corporate masters. Obviously the Bilderberg
On 3 August 2012 22:00, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:
lots of stuff
Andreas, I'm sorry, but you've been involved in Wikimedia projects for
quite a while now. What in heaven's name would ever give you the idea that
the WMF could possibly get itself organized enough to co-ordinate
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 12:52 AM, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.orgwrote:
This is inserting a conspiracy theory where one does not exist.
The English Wikipedia community voted on the blackout and directed
it into existence, not the Foundation. We merely facilitated.
There's a fallacy going on here - ie a term with two subtly different
meanings.
The community - who are the ones ultimately making the gift do so
altruistically, in the sense of not seeking *compensation*, but that's not
the same as not expecting *consideration*. We do expect consideration.
On 2 August 2012 21:07, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Brandon Harris wrote:
On Aug 2, 2012, at 5:45 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 12:11 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
What type of action was the SOPA blackout in January?
You mean,
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 11:59 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:
The line between what constitutes a community initiative and what's
considered a request from an outside group still isn't clear to me
Ah, interesting point. My read of this was that the guideline would
consider an
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