Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Research Showcase] April 17 at 11:30 AM PDT, 19:30 UTC

2019-04-17 Thread Janna Layton
The Research Showcase will be starting in about 30 minutes. Topics today are WikiProject and the "Thanks" feature. Info below: On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 2:57 PM Janna Layton wrote: > Just a reminder that this Showcase will be happening on Wednesday. > > On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 4:49 PM Janna

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-17 Thread Ad Huikeshoven
Shutting down Wikinews is not the only strategic option. Wikinews is now hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation. In the future it could be hosted by another organization. For example Wikia. Or maybe the current users start a Wikinews Association or Foundation and will start self hosting. Someone from

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-17 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
My understanding is that this is exactly what we are discussing now. In the scenario proposed by Asaf there is a vote (RfC) in which keep votes of the Wikinews community would go against delete votes by Wikimedia users not interested in keeping Wikinews. Cheers Yaroslav On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-17 Thread Jennifer Pryor-Summers
Peter Putting your brand on a project that is visibly failing also sends out a message, to the world at large. Is that a message you want to broadcast? JPS On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 3:32 PM Peter Southwood < peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote: > Abandoning a project and shutting it down sends

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-17 Thread Andrew Lih
On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 12:24 PM Samuel Klein wrote: > I see no reason to shut down projects, nor to tell participants to stop > collaborating on X in the spirit of a Wiki. > Unfortunately, in theory, projects in zombie mode should not pose a problem on their own. In practice, they do affect

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-17 Thread Dan Garry (Deskana)
On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 at 15:41, Yaroslav Blanter wrote: > Indeed, I am not a fan of Wikinews and I do not particularly see the > project as in any way successful. However, if the project is shut down > against the will of the community (I now mean the Wikinews community, or > perhaps even

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-17 Thread FT2
I agree with both views expressed (the desirability of, and concerns about, the Foundation name/brand), and I suggest a solution that might work for both problems. One the one hand, Wikimedia vs Wikipedia is confusing and Wikimedia is little recognized. I'm not actually sure if that's a problem,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] branding is bikeshedding, how about CTO criteria or working group lists instead?

2019-04-17 Thread James Salsman
Jennifer, > I think what you really mean is that you want (1) for yourself as > opposed to the movement in general to be personally involved in > the decision-making process, I would be happy if the Foundation was doing anything to involve the community in the process. We are constantly told to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-17 Thread FT2
On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 at 19:54, Pharos wrote: > One thing that this corporate rebranding after our most popular product > would erase is the "Wikimedia movement" - a social movement that is the > leading modern manifestation of the Free Culture movement that attracted me > as a member of Student

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-17 Thread Peter Southwood
Abandoning a project and shutting it down sends a message to all volunteers that their work could be similarly abandoned and lost one day. Is that a message we want to broadcast? Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-17 Thread Peter Southwood
Yeah, Right. P -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Paulo Santos Perneta Sent: 16 April 2019 20:38 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-17 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
Indeed, I am not a fan of Wikinews and I do not particularly see the project as in any way successful. However, if the project is shut down against the will of the community (I now mean the Wikinews community, or perhaps even specifically the English Wikinews community), I will ask myself whether

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-17 Thread Samuel Klein
I see no reason to shut down projects, nor to tell participants to stop collaborating on X in the spirit of a Wiki. I see a great reason not to limit conversation about what a project around X *could be* to the current state of a project that has that domain name. There is plenty of energy around

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-17 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 at 15:31, Peter Southwood wrote: > Abandoning a project and shutting it down sends a message to all volunteers > that their work could be similarly abandoned and lost one day. For some value of "lost" - it's likely, in this case, that all the content would be preserved,