Abandoning a project and shutting it down sends a message to all volunteers
that their work could be similarly abandoned and lost one day. Is that a
message we want to broadcast?
Cheers,
Peter
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Yeah, Right.
P
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system
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Indeed, I am not a fan of Wikinews and I do not particularly see the
project as in any way successful. However, if the project is shut down
against the will of the community (I now mean the Wikinews community, or
perhaps even specifically the English Wikinews community), I will ask
myself whether
I see no reason to shut down projects, nor to tell participants to stop
collaborating on X in the spirit of a Wiki.
I see a great reason not to limit conversation about what a project around
X *could be* to the current state of a project that has that domain name.
There is plenty of energy around
On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 at 15:31, Peter Southwood
wrote:
> Abandoning a project and shutting it down sends a message to all volunteers
> that their work could be similarly abandoned and lost one day.
For some value of "lost" - it's likely, in this case, that all the
content would be preserved, eithe
The Research Showcase will be starting in about 30 minutes. Topics today
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On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 2:57 PM Janna Layton wrote:
> Just a reminder that this Showcase will be happening on Wednesday.
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 4:49 PM Janna Layton
Peter
Putting your brand on a project that is visibly failing also sends out a
message, to the world at large. Is that a message you want to broadcast?
JPS
On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 3:32 PM Peter Southwood <
peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> Abandoning a project and shutting it down sends a
On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 at 15:41, Yaroslav Blanter wrote:
> Indeed, I am not a fan of Wikinews and I do not particularly see the
> project as in any way successful. However, if the project is shut down
> against the will of the community (I now mean the Wikinews community, or
> perhaps even specifica
Shutting down Wikinews is not the only strategic option. Wikinews is now
hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation. In the future it could be hosted by
another organization. For example Wikia. Or maybe the current users start a
Wikinews Association or Foundation and will start self hosting. Someone
from t
My understanding is that this is exactly what we are discussing now. In the
scenario proposed by Asaf there is a vote (RfC) in which keep votes of the
Wikinews community would go against delete votes by Wikimedia users not
interested in keeping Wikinews.
Cheers
Yaroslav
On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 9:
On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 12:24 PM Samuel Klein wrote:
> I see no reason to shut down projects, nor to tell participants to stop
> collaborating on X in the spirit of a Wiki.
>
Unfortunately, in theory, projects in zombie mode should not pose a problem
on their own.
In practice, they do affect ou
Jennifer,
> I think what you really mean is that you want (1) for yourself as
> opposed to the movement in general to be personally involved in
> the decision-making process,
I would be happy if the Foundation was doing anything to involve
the community in the process. We are constantly told to g
I agree with both views expressed (the desirability of, and concerns about,
the Foundation name/brand), and I suggest a solution that might work for
both problems.
One the one hand, Wikimedia vs Wikipedia is confusing and Wikimedia is
little recognized. I'm not actually sure if that's a problem, b
On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 at 19:54, Pharos wrote:
> One thing that this corporate rebranding after our most popular product
> would erase is the "Wikimedia movement" - a social movement that is the
> leading modern manifestation of the Free Culture movement that attracted me
> as a member of Student Fo
Dan
I've not seen any proposals involving shutting down projects without
> community involvement, so hopefully you shouldn't need to worry about this.
>
The problem with failing projects like Wikinews and Wikiversity is that
there is not a critical mass in their community. I wouldn't go so far a
>
>
> You can't be a member of "The Wikipedia Movement".
>
>
I suggest that this claimed impossibility is in fact exactly what the vast
majority of the volunteers believe that they are.
JPS
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I don't think we get to make grand claims about what "the vast majority"
think, without some good basis for it.
More pragmatically, I suspect that most editors think of themselves as
Wikipedia/other project *editors*. But those who truly think of themselves
as members of a *movement* - our GLAM v
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