Re: [Wikimedia-l] Simple English please! was The conversation is happening elsewhere :(

2016-02-17 Thread Dan Andreescu 
At our all-hands meeting this year, Risker [1] gave a moving talk in which
she pointed out that the Wikimedia movement is a part of the open knowledge
movement.  She showed us a picture of Pando, which is a remarkable organism
as you can see for yourself in that article.  And she said that the ancient
open knowledge movement is like this ancient group of trees that has
survived everything.  And that we are proud to be a part of that movement.
For many of us, it was a reminder that we are connected to something almost
invincible and it gave us hope.  That hope and strength was what I was
tapping into with my message, my apologies for not foot-noting.

[1] https://meta.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Risker

On Wednesday, February 17, 2016, Michel Vuijlsteke 
wrote:

> Aspen grove: https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Pando_(tree)
>
> On 17 February 2016 at 10:14, Anders Wennersten  >
> wrote:
>
> > I second this opinion, please remember we are many not having English as
> > our mother language
> >
> > Also besides being all lost in the discussion of Knight grant
> application,
> > I do not understand a word from the poem of Yates, neither do I
> understand
> > the meaning of Aspen grove
> >
> > Please, please go back to simple English in this list to enable many to
> > take part
> >
> > Andes
> >
> > Den 2016-02-17 kl. 09:57, skrev Andrea Zanni:
> >
> >> Thanks Asaf,
> >> I didn't know about that group.
> >>
> >> May I also mention that the conversation is also becoming *exhausting*,
> >> being in English and at very high level?
> >> I know we can't do nothing about it, but it's worth noting, IMHO, that
> the
> >> more we go on the fewer people with incredible stamina, analytic skills
> >> and
> >> English proficiency will follow and engage.
> >> Not really inclusive for Wikimedia.
> >> I, for one, find it very hard to follow everything and participate.
> >>
> >> Aubrey
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 2:02 AM, Adam Wight  > wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks for the note!  Fwiw, I can't read that without a login.  Feel
> free
> >>> to urge the owners to make the thread public, if base crook even
> supports
> >>> such a thing.
> >>> On Feb 16, 2016 4:47 PM, "Asaf Bartov"  > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Dear colleagues,
> 
>  These are difficult and confusing times.  Many of you are puzzled or
>  receiving partial and possibly contradictory bits and pieces of news.
> 
>  As a service to the community, I feel I must point out that
>  significantly
>  more conversation is taking place -- for whatever reason -- on the
> 
> >>> (public)
> >>>
>  Wikipedia Weekly facebook group[1].
> 
>  Without endorsing that choice of venue (the issues with Facebook are
> 
> >>> fairly
> >>>
>  well-known), it does appear that if you want significantly more
>  information, you should head on over there and read through the last
> 
> >>> couple
> >>>
>  of weeks' posts. (much information is in the comments)
> 
>  (if you are inspired to collect and preserve useful information from
> 
> >>> there
> >>>
>  on Meta, that would be best.)
> 
>  In solidarity,
> 
>  Asaf
> 
>  [1] https://www.facebook.com/groups/wikipediaweekly/
> 
>  --
>   Asaf Bartov
>   Wikimedia Foundation 
> 
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[Wikimedia-l] Simple English please! was The conversation is happening elsewhere :(

2016-02-17 Thread James Heilman 
It is not only people who speak English as a second language who are likely
confused. The confusion comes partly from the fact that we have an ED and
some board members saying one thing and official documents submitted to a
funder saying something different. These two sources of information about
"Wikipedia search" do not appear to be reconcilable.

We then have the partly related issue of low moral among WMF staff. This
has led to some people leaving and others taking time off. Many within the
foundation do not feel they can speak freely due to potential retaliation
from the ED. Many people are therefore being cautious with their words.

I agree we need to speak clearly, simply, and openly. We should also invite
the Knight Foundation to join this conversation. We need to get a few more
perspectives on the issues in front of us.
-- 
James Heilman
MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian

The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine
www.opentextbookofmedicine.com
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Simple English please! was The conversation is happening elsewhere :(

2016-02-17 Thread Michel Vuijlsteke 
Aspen grove: https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Pando_(tree)

On 17 February 2016 at 10:14, Anders Wennersten 
wrote:

> I second this opinion, please remember we are many not having English as
> our mother language
>
> Also besides being all lost in the discussion of Knight grant application,
> I do not understand a word from the poem of Yates, neither do I understand
> the meaning of Aspen grove
>
> Please, please go back to simple English in this list to enable many to
> take part
>
> Andes
>
> Den 2016-02-17 kl. 09:57, skrev Andrea Zanni:
>
>> Thanks Asaf,
>> I didn't know about that group.
>>
>> May I also mention that the conversation is also becoming *exhausting*,
>> being in English and at very high level?
>> I know we can't do nothing about it, but it's worth noting, IMHO, that the
>> more we go on the fewer people with incredible stamina, analytic skills
>> and
>> English proficiency will follow and engage.
>> Not really inclusive for Wikimedia.
>> I, for one, find it very hard to follow everything and participate.
>>
>> Aubrey
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 2:02 AM, Adam Wight  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the note!  Fwiw, I can't read that without a login.  Feel free
>>> to urge the owners to make the thread public, if base crook even supports
>>> such a thing.
>>> On Feb 16, 2016 4:47 PM, "Asaf Bartov"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear colleagues,

 These are difficult and confusing times.  Many of you are puzzled or
 receiving partial and possibly contradictory bits and pieces of news.

 As a service to the community, I feel I must point out that
 significantly
 more conversation is taking place -- for whatever reason -- on the

>>> (public)
>>>
 Wikipedia Weekly facebook group[1].

 Without endorsing that choice of venue (the issues with Facebook are

>>> fairly
>>>
 well-known), it does appear that if you want significantly more
 information, you should head on over there and read through the last

>>> couple
>>>
 of weeks' posts. (much information is in the comments)

 (if you are inspired to collect and preserve useful information from

>>> there
>>>
 on Meta, that would be best.)

 In solidarity,

 Asaf

 [1] https://www.facebook.com/groups/wikipediaweekly/

 --
  Asaf Bartov
  Wikimedia Foundation 

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[Wikimedia-l] Simple English please! was The conversation is happening elsewhere :(

2016-02-17 Thread Anders Wennersten 
I second this opinion, please remember we are many not having English as 
our mother language


Also besides being all lost in the discussion of Knight grant 
application, I do not understand a word from the poem of Yates, neither 
do I understand the meaning of Aspen grove


Please, please go back to simple English in this list to enable many to 
take part


Andes

Den 2016-02-17 kl. 09:57, skrev Andrea Zanni:

Thanks Asaf,
I didn't know about that group.

May I also mention that the conversation is also becoming *exhausting*,
being in English and at very high level?
I know we can't do nothing about it, but it's worth noting, IMHO, that the
more we go on the fewer people with incredible stamina, analytic skills and
English proficiency will follow and engage.
Not really inclusive for Wikimedia.
I, for one, find it very hard to follow everything and participate.

Aubrey


On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 2:02 AM, Adam Wight  wrote:


Thanks for the note!  Fwiw, I can't read that without a login.  Feel free
to urge the owners to make the thread public, if base crook even supports
such a thing.
On Feb 16, 2016 4:47 PM, "Asaf Bartov"  wrote:


Dear colleagues,

These are difficult and confusing times.  Many of you are puzzled or
receiving partial and possibly contradictory bits and pieces of news.

As a service to the community, I feel I must point out that significantly
more conversation is taking place -- for whatever reason -- on the

(public)

Wikipedia Weekly facebook group[1].

Without endorsing that choice of venue (the issues with Facebook are

fairly

well-known), it does appear that if you want significantly more
information, you should head on over there and read through the last

couple

of weeks' posts. (much information is in the comments)

(if you are inspired to collect and preserve useful information from

there

on Meta, that would be best.)

In solidarity,

Asaf

[1] https://www.facebook.com/groups/wikipediaweekly/

--
 Asaf Bartov
 Wikimedia Foundation 

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