Re: [Wikimedia-l] Transparency about Wikimania costs
On 10/12/12 12:40 AM, Itzik Edri wrote: Just want to inform that WMIL published Wikimania 2011 budget breakdown: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2011/Budget Thanks for the information; it's quite useful to see these kinds of things. Two minor questions about the numbers. I don't see an item for conference venue rental/fees, which is often a major cost. Was Wikimania given free use of the venue? Or is that part of another category, such as Logistics? And, I see support by chapters listed as 0, but http://wikimania2011.wikimedia.org/ lists 5 chapters as sponsors. -Mark ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Transparency about Wikimania costs
The venue was given by the municipality as part of their sponsorship. The chapters just gave scholarships in 2011, not financial support. Itzik - Sent from my mobile device On Oct 12, 2012 3:07 PM, Delirium delir...@hackish.org wrote: On 10/12/12 12:40 AM, Itzik Edri wrote: Just want to inform that WMIL published Wikimania 2011 budget breakdown: http://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Wikimania_2011/Budgethttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2011/Budget Thanks for the information; it's quite useful to see these kinds of things. Two minor questions about the numbers. I don't see an item for conference venue rental/fees, which is often a major cost. Was Wikimania given free use of the venue? Or is that part of another category, such as Logistics? And, I see support by chapters listed as 0, but http://wikimania2011.** wikimedia.org/ http://wikimania2011.wikimedia.org/ lists 5 chapters as sponsors. -Mark __**_ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] Transparency about Wikimania costs
Hi, Jessie started to work on a page that shown breakdown of the scholarships given in 2012, by the WMF and the chapters - and the cost. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania/Scholarships/2012 I think it's great, but we need to share much more information about how much Wikimania cost to the movement. Wikimania is our biggest and most expensive event\project - and the costs spread around movement. Beside scholarships, the chapters and the WMF spending money on their staff and boards - and this also need to be transparent. When we know Wikimedia Israel gave 4 scholarships for people from Israel, the WMF gave another two - this is not the full picture. WMIL also sent paid for the travel of one board member. In some others chapters the numbers are much bigger (staff+board). Also, we have WMF and Chapters support to the conference itself. I published here Wikimania 2011 costs income: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania/2011/Budget I'm not asking everyone now to start digging for their costs in 2011, but I think we can start do it from this year. I posted here WMIL travel costs: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania/2012/Budget/Chapters I'll be happy if the chapters and the WMF can post their costs also and I'm encouraging Wikimania 2012 local team also to post their conference costs and incomes. I think this transparency is important, and this knowledge about the total costs to the movement is also important to others who planning Wikimania in the future. Itzik WMIL ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Transparency about Wikimania costs
I also think all recipients should be publicy disclosed as long with their applications for transparency purposes (on the same way all grants are publicy disclosed with the GAC process). It`s impossible for this year, but we should think of include this info in next year application process. JP 2012/9/21, Itzik Edri it...@infra.co.il: On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: Thank you very much for starting this discussion and publishing this. In the past I've had a really hard time finding some data, e.g. for 2009 all I found is this: https://meta.wikimedia.org/** wiki/Wikimania_2009#Expenseshttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2009#Expenses See also the related discussion here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/** wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_budget#**Wikimania_travel_questionhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_budget#Wikimania_travel_question Thanks, I didn't know about this discussion. Thank you for sharing this. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Transparency about Wikimania costs
No, they should not. Those applications contain a very significant amount of private information. Risker/Anne On 21 September 2012 17:22, JP Béland lebo.bel...@gmail.com wrote: I also think all recipients should be publicy disclosed as long with their applications for transparency purposes (on the same way all grants are publicy disclosed with the GAC process). It`s impossible for this year, but we should think of include this info in next year application process. JP 2012/9/21, Itzik Edri it...@infra.co.il: On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: Thank you very much for starting this discussion and publishing this. In the past I've had a really hard time finding some data, e.g. for 2009 all I found is this: https://meta.wikimedia.org/** wiki/Wikimania_2009#Expenses https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2009#Expenses See also the related discussion here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/** wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_budget#**Wikimania_travel_question https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_budget#Wikimania_travel_question Thanks, I didn't know about this discussion. Thank you for sharing this. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
