Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] PRISM, government surveillance, and Wikimedia: Request for community feedback

2013-06-15 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* Geoff Brigham wrote: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/06/14/prism-surveillance-wikimedia/ You are not making a good case there as to what to do and why and how this community is affected and needs to act. An immediate question seems to be whether the Wikimedia Foundation should become signatory

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] PRISM, government surveillance, and Wikimedia: Request for community feedback

2013-06-15 Thread Jon Davies
Speaking as an individual and not on behalf of the chapter (and not as an American obviously) I think this seems a proportional response but would encourage everyone in the UK community to share their thoughts. I think it would be naive to think this was not aimed at US citizens as well, despite

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] PRISM, government surveillance, and Wikimedia: Request for community feedback

2013-06-15 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, From my perspective ... I live outside the USA, PRISM only brings the American people the same surveillance the rest of the world has had for a long time. The only difference is that the pretence that the US populace is not watched is known to be a fiction. Thanks, GerardM On 15 June

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] PRISM, government surveillance, and Wikimedia: Request for community feedback

2013-06-15 Thread Jon Davies
The reporting in the UK is that it is aimed at 'foreigners'. I think that is us! Of course that may be for domestic US consumption. On 15 June 2013 17:56, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, From my perspective ... I live outside the USA, PRISM only brings the American

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] PRISM, government surveillance, and Wikimedia: Request for community feedback

2013-06-15 Thread Fred Bauder
The reporting in the UK is that it is aimed at 'foreigners'. I think that is us! Of course that may be for domestic US consumption. Yes, the thing is, we are an international organization, and, frankly, we don't vet people politically before they can create an account or edit. Our trust system

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] PRISM, government surveillance, and Wikimedia: Request for community feedback

2013-06-15 Thread MZMcBride
Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote: * Geoff Brigham wrote: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/06/14/prism-surveillance-wikimedia/ You are not making a good case there as to what to do and why and how this community is affected and needs to act. An immediate question seems to be whether the Wikimedia Foundation

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] PRISM, government surveillance, and Wikimedia: Request for community feedback

2013-06-15 Thread James Alexander
To try and keep the discussion in one place it would be great if people could put their comments on the meta talk page (either as well as the mailing list or as well as) I'm going to try and copy some responses there (and from the blog) as well but possibly not discussions as that gets more

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] PRISM, government surveillance, and Wikimedia: Request for community feedback

2013-06-14 Thread Tomasz W. Kozlowski
Geoff, I'm a bit lost here now that I've read that translation notice more carefully — are you really saying you want to have this post translated into German, French, Spanish and Japanese by Tuesday, June 18, and then for the local communities to comment on it by Friday, June 21? There is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] PRISM, government surveillance, and Wikimedia: Request for community feedback

2013-06-14 Thread Samuel Klein
Thank you Geoff, it is excellent to see this public statement of intent and discussion. And thank you Tomasz for getting the word out to our translators! SJ On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Tomasz W. Kozlowski tom...@twkozlowski.net wrote: Geoff, I'm a bit lost here now that I've read that