Denny, Dariusz: May you take a look the talk page [1], see the flow of
concerns and ideas in relation to the proposal and comment
specifically what you think it could work and what you think it
couldn't.
Besides that, I created two subpages which deal separately with
Representation and diversity [
Honestly while I think that more community governance could be good I worry
that this conversation is going into a direction that is doomed to failure
and distracts us from the REAL issues that people are frustrated about.
Large governing bodies are complicated, difficult to set up and difficult
to
David,
thanks for that perspective. I agree that in theory the Foundation has the
power you describe. But it is the same theory that lead to the
implementation of Superprotect, and we know how this worked out. I do not
think that the use of such a power would be accepted.
Or am I wrong?
Denny
No, I think the questions of community representation on the Board and the
creation of an independent body able to represent the communities are
orthogonal. I do not see anyone suggesting that the Board should not have
community representatives.
But I see the need for a body representing the commu
Whatever I may think of some of the recent actions of the board,
I think its present role goes well beyond
" bring stability and assure that
the daily business is done: keep the platform online, deal with legal
cases and keep a positive financial balance. "
The key roles are to ensure the quality
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> Am I the only one who would rather see an independent body represent the
> communities than one subordinate to the Board?
My concern is that in the long run such a body may lead to excluding
community representation from the Board ("since we have a community body
already..."). Also, I thi
My issue with the current proposal on Meta is that it creates a body which
works towards the Board.
This is, in my opinion, a fundamental mistake: it perpetuates the idea that
the Board is the major governing body of the movement at large.
I would very much prefer an independent and strong body t
On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 5:28 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter
>> My impression is therefore that some sort of a preparatory work is needed
>> to avoid these two traps. Ideally, there would be a drafting group with a
>> broad representation (pos
On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter
wrote:
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> there have been several discussions over the years, and those which I
> remember (the first one was Lodewijk's proposal in 2008? 2009?) were either
> rejected/not endorsed by the board, or got stalled on meta with no
> consensus.
On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Dariusz Jemielniak
wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:33 PM, Milos Rancic wrote:
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> > Denny, thanks for supporting this issue moving on. Before few remarks
> > I would respond inline, I want to say that the *draft* of the idea to
> > make community assembly hav
On 2016-01-13 16:32, Dariusz Jemielniak wrote:
On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:33 PM, Milos Rancic
wrote:
I think it is a good idea to have a sort of community council. To give
credit, Guy Kawasaki just recently proposed something along these lines
in
internal discussions. My first take is that
On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:33 PM, Milos Rancic wrote:
> Denny, thanks for supporting this issue moving on. Before few remarks
> I would respond inline, I want to say that the *draft* of the idea to
> make community assembly have been published by Pharos:
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> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimed
Thank you Milos for pointing here what seems to me the most fundamental
flaw of our current organisation.
The WMF as organisation was created to bring stability and assure that
the daily business is done: keep the platform online, deal with legal
cases and keep a positive financial balance. This i
Just as a matter of record: While I did contribute comments to the concept
of the council, and am in general very much in favour of such council, I
also made the comment that I don't think the council in its current shape
addresses the real problems at all - because it has one responsibility
(appoi
Denny, thanks for supporting this issue moving on. Before few remarks
I would respond inline, I want to say that the *draft* of the idea to
make community assembly have been published by Pharos:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Community_Council_Compact
I want to give a small background
Milos,
I find a lot in your email to agree with.
The Board of the Wikimedia Foundation, in my understanding, is not the top
governance body of the Wikimedia movement. It sometimes stands in for that,
because we don't have anything better - but its composition and its legal
obligations suggest tha
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