Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Toolserver-l] [TS logo] Fwd: Free as in Wikimedia Foundation

2013-03-20 Thread Dariusz Jemielniak
well put. I think that clearly WMF legal department assumed that having the trademark registered is such a good idea that it does not require a dialogue with the community, while the symbolic beginnings and the history of logo creation make such a move, especially without a prior discussion and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Toolserver-l] [TS logo] Fwd: Free as in Wikimedia Foundation

2013-03-20 Thread Peter Gervai
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Dariusz Jemielniak dar...@alk.edu.pl wrote: well put. I think that clearly WMF legal department assumed that having the trademark registered is such a good idea that it does not require a dialogue with the community, My _general_ problem, however, that I have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Toolserver-l] [TS logo] Fwd: Free as in Wikimedia Foundation

2013-03-20 Thread Tomasz Ganicz
2013/3/20 James Alexander jameso...@gmail.com: On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: I won't argue the fact that there is value in protecting the iconography of the Wikimedia movement from abuse. What I argue with is the approach of the legal department - to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Toolserver-l] [TS logo] Fwd: Free as in Wikimedia Foundation

2013-03-20 Thread Lodewijk
This is indeed why I dislike the whole trademark move. Not because I don't understand the difference between trademarks and copyright, but probably I have different goals in mind. It is a natural state for a legal team to play defensive, and protect. I can't blame them for that, although the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Toolserver-l] [TS logo] Fwd: Free as in Wikimedia Foundation

2013-03-20 Thread Luis Villa
Hi, Nathan- On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: I won't argue the fact that there is value in protecting the iconography of the Wikimedia movement from abuse. What I argue with is the approach of the legal department You're right that we could have communicated

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Toolserver-l] [TS logo] Fwd: Free as in Wikimedia Foundation

2013-03-19 Thread James Alexander
:35 AM Subject: Re: [Toolserver-l] [TS logo] Fwd: Free as in Wikimedia Foundation To: Wikimedia Toolserver toolserve...@lists.wikimedia.org What a nonsense issue. This superfluous discussion is fueled by two fallacies, the confusion of copyright and trademarking and an unhealthy paranoia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Toolserver-l] [TS logo] Fwd: Free as in Wikimedia Foundation

2013-03-19 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
James Alexander, 19/03/2013 20:17: The amount of bad faith some people have been showing in this discussion is depressing. +1 Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Toolserver-l] [TS logo] Fwd: Free as in Wikimedia Foundation

2013-03-19 Thread James Alexander
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: I won't argue the fact that there is value in protecting the iconography of the Wikimedia movement from abuse. What I argue with is the approach of the legal department - to unilaterally, and without notice, contradict the