2013/3/20 James Alexander <jameso...@gmail.com>: > On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Nathan <nawr...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I won't argue the fact that there is value in protecting the >> iconography of the Wikimedia movement from abuse. What I argue with is >> the approach of the legal department - to unilaterally, and without >> notice, contradict the purpose of a set of logos by declaring >> ownership over them, and then to at the same time suggest the >> community hold a contest to create a whole new set of logos over which >> the WMF will supposedly not take the same action. >> >> > I'll be the first to say I think the idea of having a contest to create a > new logo is a bit silly. I think we should continue to use the > meta/community logo and that it's allowed use for the community should be > very very broad (much broader then we would allow for the Wikipedia Globe > for example). I think we have enough issues with branding given what I > would consider mistakes in the past and present and we don't need 'yet > another' for the community (given that we also use all of the other logos > to represent the community at times).
I agree - it hardly make any sense, especially because the story may happen again. If the new logo is popular it will be trademarked by WMF as well :-) > I don't, however, think that they did the wrong thing here. I've been > around meta and the community for a long time and I would have honestly > assumed long ago that the community logo was trademarked and the foundation > was just very free in letting it be used. All of the foundations trademarks > were going through registration processes around the world because they > realized that our portfolio did not cover us very well. This made total > sense to be included in it. Well, actually the legal situation is defined by trademark policy of WMF: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Trademark_policy According to this policy it applies to the following logos: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Wikimedia_official_marks so it includes MediaWiki and community logos as well in similar way as Wikipedia logo. You can read in the policy: "The following basic guidelines apply to almost any use of the Wikimedia Marks in printed materials, including marketing, articles and other publicity-related materials, and websites: "Proper Form - Wikimedia Marks should be used in their exact form — neither abbreviated nor combined with any other word or words (e.g., "Wiki" or "MyWikipedia" rather than "Wikipedia"); Notice - The following notice should appear somewhere nearby (at least on the same page or on the credits page) the first use of a Wikimedia Mark: "[TRADEMARK] is a ['registered', if applicable] trademark of the Wikimedia Foundation"; Distinguishable - In at least the first reference, we ask that the trademark should be set apart from surrounding text, either by capitalizing it or by italicizing, bolding or underlining it. In addition, we ask that your website avoid copying the look and feel of the Wikimedia websites — again, we do not want the visitor to your website to be confused about which company he/she is dealing with. Attention Paid to Visual Guidelines - any use of the Wikimedia Marks should substantially comply with our Trademark and Logo Usage Policy and our Visual Identity Guidelines. " And - when you take a look at: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:MediaWiki_logos and to: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_Community_Logos you see that all of them (except originaly trademarked) broke the trademark policy rules :-) The are combined with other words and graphs, they have no notice, they do not follow any visual guidelines etc. :-) So - in fact they should be deleted as a WMF trademark policy violation - or trademark policy should be modified. Bear in mind that even toolserver logo - which is obviously a derivative work of community logo - should not be used according the current WMF trademark policy. I think it is not intended, and WMF will never do any legal action towards the creators and users of this derivative logos - but all this situation is unclear at the moment. I think this is a job for WMF Board of Trustees to clarify the situation - for example by excluding MediaWiki and community logos from the rules forbiding creation of derivative logos and "Visual Identity Guidelines". -- Tomek "Polimerek" Ganicz http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polimerek http://www.ganicz.pl/poli/ http://www.cbmm.lodz.pl/work.php?id=29&title=tomasz-ganicz _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l