Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updated Terms of Use

2012-05-04 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 6:48 AM, Philippe Beaudette wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I don't believe the Terms are meant to expressly adopt all foreign laws > outside the United States. The community discussed the phrase "applicable > law" a few times during the drafting process. The Terms of Use only > e

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updated Terms of Use

2012-05-03 Thread Philippe Beaudette
Hi everyone, I don't believe the Terms are meant to expressly adopt all foreign laws outside the United States. The community discussed the phrase "applicable law" a few times during the drafting process. The Terms of Use only expressly call out the United States as applicable law in the Overview

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updated Terms of Use

2012-05-03 Thread Birgitte_sb
On May 3, 2012, at 9:03 AM, Nathan wrote: > On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) > wrote: > >> birgitte...@yahoo.com, 03/05/2012 14:17: >> >> Encouraging people outside the US to live as though they live inside it, >>> is neither wise nor ethical. >>> >> >> On the other h

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updated Terms of Use

2012-05-03 Thread Nathan
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > birgitte...@yahoo.com, 03/05/2012 14:17: > > Encouraging people outside the US to live as though they live inside it, >> is neither wise nor ethical. >> > > On the other hand, this is what happens (o could have happened) in other > par

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updated Terms of Use

2012-05-03 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
birgitte...@yahoo.com, 03/05/2012 14:17: Encouraging people outside the US to live as though they live inside it, is neither wise nor ethical. On the other hand, this is what happens (o could have happened) in other parts of the Terms of use which apply to /users/ (not their contributions) t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updated Terms of Use

2012-05-03 Thread Birgitte_sb
On May 3, 2012, at 7:17 AM, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > On May 1, 2012, at 1:38 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen > wrote: > >> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Nathan wrote: >>> Richard, you removed some relevant language: >>> >>> "Certain activities, whether legal or illegal, may

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updated Terms of Use

2012-05-03 Thread Birgitte_sb
On May 1, 2012, at 1:38 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Nathan wrote: >> Richard, you removed some relevant language: >> >> "Certain activities, whether legal or illegal, may be harmful to other >> users and violate our rules, and some activities may also

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updated Terms of Use

2012-05-01 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Nathan wrote: > Richard, you removed some relevant language: > > "Certain activities, whether legal or illegal, may be harmful to other > users and violate our rules, and some activities may also subject you to > liability. Therefore, for your own protection and for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updated Terms of Use

2012-05-01 Thread Nathan
Richard, you removed some relevant language: "Certain activities, whether legal or illegal, may be harmful to other users and violate our rules, and some activities may also subject you to liability. Therefore, for your own protection and for that of other users, *you may not engage in such activi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updated Terms of Use

2012-05-01 Thread Richard Symonds
I don't think it does say that, or if it does, I can't see where. You're certainly liable if you break a law in your own country, but I don't think you've broken the terms of use. It says that > "Certain activites may subject you to liabilities... [for example] using > the services in a manner tha

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updated Terms of Use

2012-05-01 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Does this new TOS mean that Chinese violate WMF TOS if they view legal US material on the Wikimedia site? In case it is against Chinese censorship laws. -- -- Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]] ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updated Terms of Use

2012-05-01 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Tell me what I am missing here. please. Do these new rules not mean Chinese internet users are violating our terms of service, if they evade Chinese state censorhip to view our content? -- -- Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]] ___ Wikimedia-

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updated Terms of Use

2012-04-27 Thread Philippe Beaudette
Birgitte, Andrew, thank you for your kind words. True credit on this one goes to Maggie, Geoff, and the community members who worked countless hours with them and discussed in great detail almost every word of the thing. I think everyone involved would tell you that it was a thoughtful, deliberat

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updated Terms of Use

2012-04-27 Thread Birgitte_sb
On Apr 27, 2012, at 12:49 AM, Andrew Garrett wrote: > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 2:26 AM, Philippe Beaudette > wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> As you may be aware, Wikimedia has updated its Terms of Use. This updated >> version will become effective on May 25, 2012, and can be reviewed >> here

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updated Terms of Use

2012-04-26 Thread Andrew Garrett
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 2:26 AM, Philippe Beaudette wrote: > Hi everyone, > > As you may be aware, Wikimedia has updated its Terms of Use. This updated > version will become effective on May 25, 2012, and can be reviewed > here.[1] >