Re: [Wikimedia-US-CO] Fwd: Your User Group's movement strategy conversations

2017-04-20 Thread Isarra Yos 

Yeah, I think I'm just going to stay out of this.

2016's results, mundane though they may be, were at least actionable, 
even regardless of whether or not they were the right things to focus 
on. This, though, from looking at the guides, doesn't even seem like 
it's going to establish a consensus what movement and WMF priorities 
should be in general now, let alone in the future... because at no point 
does anyone actually ask that, even though that would be a very 
important question to answer. It's all themes and vision and random 
examples of what people want to see happen.


That's just me, though. I'll leave all this up to you lot. Thank you 
Abhay for taking the initiative to sort it out, or stuff.


-I

On 21/04/17 04:43, James Salsman wrote:
As far as I can tell, the 15 year projection is supposed to be far 
enough further than the discernible horizon that a wider variety of 
opinions will be considered valid, and thus may allow more 
constructive engagement. Think of brainstorming sessions, where people 
aren't allowed to criticize others, only proposed improved or 
different ideas.


I agree we should finish implementing the ideas from previous 
strategies before starting new ones, but I gather that they have been 
too mundane. I thing these are very good:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_Foundation/2016/Recommendations 


https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_Foundation/2016/Recommendations

Perhaps "finish implementing previous strategy ideas" can be something 
we all can agree on?


On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 10:01 PM Isarra Yos > wrote:


Thank you for the kind words (and link), but I am just totally
lost at this point, and Abhay went ahead and did it all on his own
regardless.

Was there something wrong with the previous approach of just
figuring out what the movement role is as we go, letting it evolve
as the world itself does?


-I


On 20/04/17 05:57, James Salsman wrote:

Isarra, why don't you do it? You are by far the most prominent
Colorado Wikimedian, and have been for years. I think you are
supposed to ask other Colorado WIkimedians these questions, in
person if possible, or on this list:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Participate

And then add a summary of whatever the answers are at one of the
designated places.

I'm headed from Fort Lupton to Beijing next week and will be
there until Wikimania in August, and might not be back in
Colorado until December, but you can get a pretty good idea of
what I hope to achieve in the next 15 years (which is,
coincidentally, what the strategy discussion topic is) from
meta:User:James_Salsman and the corresponding talk page, where I
was recently unblocked to make a free open source alternative to
Rosetta Stone and the like (did you know Rosetta Stone's speech
team is in Boulder?) I got blocked earlier in the decade for
surveying the inactive enwiki admins (after being blocked on
enwiki in 2007 for suggesting to a Department of Defense employee
who purported to be a medical doctor that it would have been
wiser to recommend against breathing uranium fumes, which was
taken as a legal threat. So I began a ten year sockpuppetry
breaching experiment in accordance with WP:IAR, but I have ceased
and denounced that behavior.)

Best regards,
Jim Salsman

On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 8:42 PM Isarra Yos > wrote:

Technically I think this might be you, from our history thus
far. Which makes you a bit like most of the wikimedia dc
board - most of them aren't actually in DC anymore, either.

Or something. Do they ever define anywhere exactly what a
discussion coordinator actually is/does?


-I


On 19/04/17 01:59, Gaurav Vaidya wrote:

Any volunteers?

Cheers,
Gaurav

Typed on a tiny keyboard.

Begin forwarded message:


*From:* Nicole Ebber >
*Date:* April 18, 2017 at 9:57:30 PM EDT
*To:* Nicole Ebber >
*Subject:* *Your User Group's movement strategy conversations*

Greetings,

I hope this email finds you well. As we are ending cycle 1
of the
movement strategy process conversation today, I am
currently looking
into the list of organized groups on Meta and reaching out
to groups
we haven’t heard back from.[1]

I have noticed that your User Group has not designated a
discussion
coordinator yet, and wanted to see if there is any
information that
you are missing right now, or any support you need. Of

Re: [Wikimedia-US-CO] Fwd: Your User Group's movement strategy conversations

2017-04-20 Thread James Salsman 
As far as I can tell, the 15 year projection is supposed to be far enough
further than the discernible horizon that a wider variety of opinions will
be considered valid, and thus may allow more constructive engagement. Think
of brainstorming sessions, where people aren't allowed to criticize others,
only proposed improved or different ideas.

I agree we should finish implementing the ideas from previous strategies
before starting new ones, but I gather that they have been too mundane. I
thing these are very good:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_Foundation/2016/Recommendations


https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_Foundation/2016/Recommendations

Perhaps "finish implementing previous strategy ideas" can be something we
all can agree on?

On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 10:01 PM Isarra Yos  wrote:

> Thank you for the kind words (and link), but I am just totally lost at
> this point, and Abhay went ahead and did it all on his own regardless.
>
> Was there something wrong with the previous approach of just figuring out
> what the movement role is as we go, letting it evolve as the world itself
> does?
>
>
> -I
>
>
> On 20/04/17 05:57, James Salsman wrote:
>
> Isarra, why don't you do it? You are by far the most prominent Colorado
> Wikimedian, and have been for years. I think you are supposed to ask other
> Colorado WIkimedians these questions, in person if possible, or on this
> list:
>
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Participate
>
> And then add a summary of whatever the answers are at one of the
> designated places.
>
> I'm headed from Fort Lupton to Beijing next week and will be there until
> Wikimania in August, and might not be back in Colorado until December, but
> you can get a pretty good idea of what I hope to achieve in the next 15
> years (which is, coincidentally, what the strategy discussion topic is)
> from meta:User:James_Salsman and the corresponding talk page, where I was
> recently unblocked to make a free open source alternative to Rosetta Stone
> and the like (did you know Rosetta Stone's speech team is in Boulder?) I
> got blocked earlier in the decade for surveying the inactive enwiki admins
> (after being blocked on enwiki in 2007 for suggesting to a Department of
> Defense employee who purported to be a medical doctor that it would have
> been wiser to recommend against breathing uranium fumes, which was taken as
> a legal threat. So I began a ten year sockpuppetry breaching experiment in
> accordance with WP:IAR, but I have ceased and denounced that behavior.)
>
> Best regards,
> Jim Salsman
>
> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 8:42 PM Isarra Yos  wrote:
>
>> Technically I think this might be you, from our history thus far. Which
>> makes you a bit like most of the wikimedia dc board - most of them aren't
>> actually in DC anymore, either.
>>
>> Or something. Do they ever define anywhere exactly what a discussion
>> coordinator actually is/does?
>>
>>
>> -I
>>
>>
>> On 19/04/17 01:59, Gaurav Vaidya wrote:
>>
>> Any volunteers?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Gaurav
>>
>> Typed on a tiny keyboard.
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> *From:* Nicole Ebber 
>> *Date:* April 18, 2017 at 9:57:30 PM EDT
>> *To:* Nicole Ebber 
>> *Subject:* *Your User Group's movement strategy conversations*
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> I hope this email finds you well. As we are ending cycle 1 of the
>> movement strategy process conversation today, I am currently looking
>> into the list of organized groups on Meta and reaching out to groups
>> we haven’t heard back from.[1]
>>
>> I have noticed that your User Group has not designated a discussion
>> coordinator yet, and wanted to see if there is any information that
>> you are missing right now, or any support you need. Of course, I would
>> also like to hear from you if you decide not to participate right now.
>> Every feedback will help us to improve and iterate on the ongoing
>> process.
>>
>> Looking forward to hearing from you,
>> Nicole
>>
>> [1]
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Outreach/List
>>
>>
>> --
>> Nicole Ebber
>> Adviser International Relations
>> Movement Strategy Track Lead: Organized Groups
>>
>> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.
>> V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts
>> Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig
>> anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin,
>> Steuernummer 27/029/42207.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-US-CO] Fwd: Your User Group's movement strategy conversations

2017-04-20 Thread Isarra Yos 
Thank you for the kind words (and link), but I am just totally lost at 
this point, and Abhay went ahead and did it all on his own regardless.


Was there something wrong with the previous approach of just figuring 
out what the movement role is as we go, letting it evolve as the world 
itself does?


-I

On 20/04/17 05:57, James Salsman wrote:
Isarra, why don't you do it? You are by far the most prominent 
Colorado Wikimedian, and have been for years. I think you are supposed 
to ask other Colorado WIkimedians these questions, in person if 
possible, or on this list:


https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Participate

And then add a summary of whatever the answers are at one of the 
designated places.


I'm headed from Fort Lupton to Beijing next week and will be there 
until Wikimania in August, and might not be back in Colorado until 
December, but you can get a pretty good idea of what I hope to achieve 
in the next 15 years (which is, coincidentally, what the strategy 
discussion topic is) from meta:User:James_Salsman and the 
corresponding talk page, where I was recently unblocked to make a free 
open source alternative to Rosetta Stone and the like (did you know 
Rosetta Stone's speech team is in Boulder?) I got blocked earlier in 
the decade for surveying the inactive enwiki admins (after being 
blocked on enwiki in 2007 for suggesting to a Department of Defense 
employee who purported to be a medical doctor that it would have been 
wiser to recommend against breathing uranium fumes, which was taken as 
a legal threat. So I began a ten year sockpuppetry breaching 
experiment in accordance with WP:IAR, but I have ceased and denounced 
that behavior.)


Best regards,
Jim Salsman

On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 8:42 PM Isarra Yos > wrote:


Technically I think this might be you, from our history thus far.
Which makes you a bit like most of the wikimedia dc board - most
of them aren't actually in DC anymore, either.

Or something. Do they ever define anywhere exactly what a
discussion coordinator actually is/does?


-I


On 19/04/17 01:59, Gaurav Vaidya wrote:

Any volunteers?

Cheers,
Gaurav

Typed on a tiny keyboard.

Begin forwarded message:


*From:* Nicole Ebber >
*Date:* April 18, 2017 at 9:57:30 PM EDT
*To:* Nicole Ebber >
*Subject:* *Your User Group's movement strategy conversations*

Greetings,

I hope this email finds you well. As we are ending cycle 1 of the
movement strategy process conversation today, I am currently looking
into the list of organized groups on Meta and reaching out to groups
we haven’t heard back from.[1]

I have noticed that your User Group has not designated a discussion
coordinator yet, and wanted to see if there is any information that
you are missing right now, or any support you need. Of course, I
would
also like to hear from you if you decide not to participate
right now.
Every feedback will help us to improve and iterate on the ongoing
process.

Looking forward to hearing from you,
Nicole

[1]

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Outreach/List


-- 
Nicole Ebber

Adviser International Relations
Movement Strategy Track Lead: Organized Groups

Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.
V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts
Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig
anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin,
Steuernummer 27/029/42207.



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