Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Australian GLAM policy and public domain
On 11 October 2010 23:42, John Vandenberg wrote: > On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 10:58 PM, Teofilo wrote: > > I remember that about one year ago it was reported that Wikimedia > > Australia had an interesting event called "Galleries, Libraries, > > Archives, Museums & Wikimedia: Finding the common ground". > > > > In case there is a follow-up, following-up people might be interested > > in this finding I have just made, while seeking a better source and > > better file description for a 16th century woodcut print available on > > Wikimedia Commons since long ago, but which was until now poorly > > described (1). > > > > This is how I came upon the "trove.nla.gov.au" website, which has an > > "online" heading, providing links to two PAYSITES : > > > > > http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/10605648?selectedversion=NBD648216#online10605648 > > > > > > I am afraid that "trove.nla.gov.au" is a misnomer. It should be > > renamed into "shop.nla.gov.au". > > That is unfair; the NLA does not receive any kick backs from book sales. > > For 'The arts in the Middle Ages and the Renaissance', trove says that > there is no bookshop that sells this work. > > -- > John Vandenberg > > I would also like to add that the National Library of Australia is one of the most enthusiastic about Wikimedia content of all Australian GLAMs. They are the only institution that I can think of that that not only links out to Wikipedia but includes Wikipedia results in their searches. For example, http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/title/35 In fact, an interesting story we learned at the GLAM-WIKI conference last year was that the National Library didn't know much about some of the newspapers they were digitising. So, they created Wikipedia articles with the information (and references) that they knew about and then watched as Wikipedians went along and filled out the content - improving both of our services. Liam ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Australian GLAM policy and public domain
On 11/10/2010 10:58 PM, Teofilo wrote: > I am afraid that "trove.nla.gov.au" is a misnomer. It should be > renamed into "shop.nla.gov.au". > ___ > Wikimediaau-l mailing list > Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l Throwing around much insults at GLAM's is not on, we want them to work with us and calling NLA's trove an shop/paysite is unhelpful. NLA gets funding from the Australian Federal Government but still need ways of paying for further objects (books, newspapers, journals, photographs ect), digitalisation, staff ect. If you knew what was involved then you would understand. I volunteer at an Royal Australian Air Force heritage centre (museum) and I can tell you it isn't as easy as it looks to set-up, run and maintain a museum. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Australian GLAM policy and public domain
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 10:58 PM, Teofilo wrote: > I remember that about one year ago it was reported that Wikimedia > Australia had an interesting event called "Galleries, Libraries, > Archives, Museums & Wikimedia: Finding the common ground". > > In case there is a follow-up, following-up people might be interested > in this finding I have just made, while seeking a better source and > better file description for a 16th century woodcut print available on > Wikimedia Commons since long ago, but which was until now poorly > described (1). > > This is how I came upon the "trove.nla.gov.au" website, which has an > "online" heading, providing links to two PAYSITES : > > http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/10605648?selectedversion=NBD648216#online10605648 see [[HathiTrust]]. as far as I know, it is not possible to pay HathiTrust, so they are not a paysite. The problem is that Google has not flagged this book as public domain yet. http://books.google.com/books?id=VRYtYAAJ http://books.google.com/books?id=JeEfMAAJ HathiTrust does provide free access to works which are known to be PD. e.g. http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=pst.16123816 > Why provide links to paysites, while the book is an old 19th century > public domain book, available on free sites such as > > http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/10940 > > and > > http://openlibrary.org/works/OL1096465W/Manners_customs_and_dress_during_the_Middle_Ages_and_during_the_Renaissance_period Are you sure that 'Manners, customs, and dress during the Middle Ages, and during the Renaissance period' is the same work as 'The arts in the Middle Ages, and at the period of the Renaissance'? I suspect that they are different works, perhaps containing large chunks of similar content. > When I google the word TROVE, I find two definitions, one from > Princeton, one from Wikipedia : > > http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&source=hp&q=define%3Atrove&meta= > > Princeton : "treasure trove: treasure of unknown ownership found > hidden (usually in the earth)" > > Wikipedia : "(...)where the treasure seems old enough for it to be > presumed that the true owner is dead and the heirs ...(...)" > > I am afraid that "trove.nla.gov.au" is a misnomer. It should be > renamed into "shop.nla.gov.au". That is unfair; the NLA does not receive any kick backs from book sales. For 'The arts in the Middle Ages and the Renaissance', trove says that there is no bookshop that sells this work. -- John Vandenberg ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
