Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Impact Story

2014-04-16 Thread John Mark Vandenberg 
On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Leigh Blackall  wrote:
> Great suggestions John. Would you mind copying that to the Blog post, and/or
> the suggestion so they and others see it more clearly?

I've created a separate proposal for pageview data to be incorporated

http://feedback.impactstory.org/forums/166950-general/suggestions/5789436-use-pageview-data-for-wikipedia

And I noticed there is another 'wiki contributions' proposal from 2012 at

http://feedback.impactstory.org/forums/166950-general/suggestions/3419139-add-an-impact-report-for-wiki-contributions

Their 'webpage' support may be nearly all that is needed for
Wikiversity.  I'll play around with it to see how it handles the same
webpage appearing in two peoples profiles.

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Impact Story

2014-04-16 Thread Leigh Blackall 
Great suggestions John. Would you mind copying that to the Blog post,
and/or the suggestion so they and others see it more clearly?


On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 12:33 PM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote:

> ImpactStory looks very interesting, especially as it is open source
> and owned by a non-profit (but I havent seen whether there charter
> ensures it will never effectively become a for-proft).
>
> They already have a Wikipedia data provider, to determine how many
> times a DOI is used on Wikipedia as a way of determining impact of a
> piece of research.
>
>
> https://github.com/total-impact/total-impact-core/blob/master/totalimpact/providers/wikipedia.py
>
> I am guessing they would be interested in code that allows them to
> determine how many visitors the Wikipedia page has, which speaks to
> the impact of the DOI being on that Wikipedia page.
>
> That would be a simple enough piece of code to write and has a very
> high chance of being incorporated into their system.
>
> 
>
> As for measuring impact of Wikimedia contributions .. I think the
> hardest part is determining which Wikimedia pages should be allocated
> to which people, so spelling fix are filtered out (easy) and reverts
> are also detected and eliminated (harder).
>
> e.g.
>
> You do want impact of
>
> https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Research_in_education:_Open_and_networked_practices
> appearing in your profile.  James Neill may also want it appearing in
> his impact, but the single edit by User:Rnfitzgerald (Robert
> Fitzgerald?) should not mean they can add it to their profile (IMO).
>
> Once the 'who can claim which pages' problem is solved, adding basic
> impact data is easy using the data already published and available via
> suitable apis
>
>
> http://stats.grok.se/en.v/latest/Research_in_education:_Open_and_networked_practices
>
>
> http://stats.grok.se/json/en.v/latest30/Research_in_education:_Open_and_networked_practices
>
> The simplest approach to the 'who can claim which pages' problem is
> the person must add each page individually if they feel it is
> appropriate to claim credit for it.  Then add a cross link to
> introduce peer-pressure to prevent fraudulent claims; i.e. "three
> other people also claim this page as their own work" or something
> similar.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Alexander Hayes
>  wrote:
> > Have done.
> >
> > A very important step forward to connect these organisations.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Alexander Hayes
> >
> > Professional Associate, University of Canberra
> > PhD. Candidate, University of Wollongong
> > Web Developer, The Australian National University
> >
> > Mobile: +61427996984
> > Skype: alexanderhayes (Canberra)
> >
> > Portfolio: http://www.alexanderhayes.com
> > LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/alexanderhayes
> > Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/alexanderhayes
> > Google+: https://plus.google.com/u/0/+AlexanderHayes/posts
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Leigh Blackall <
> leighblack...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm casually lobbying a webservice for researcher impact factor to add
> >> functionality around Wikimedia Contributions and other alternative
> venues.
> >> Perhaps you could help vote the suggestion up?
> >>
> >>
> http://feedback.impactstory.org/forums/166950-general/suggestions/5788952-collect-data-from-a-range-of-niche-but-probable-gr
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>
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>



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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Impact Story

2014-04-16 Thread John Mark Vandenberg 
ImpactStory looks very interesting, especially as it is open source
and owned by a non-profit (but I havent seen whether there charter
ensures it will never effectively become a for-proft).

They already have a Wikipedia data provider, to determine how many
times a DOI is used on Wikipedia as a way of determining impact of a
piece of research.

https://github.com/total-impact/total-impact-core/blob/master/totalimpact/providers/wikipedia.py

I am guessing they would be interested in code that allows them to
determine how many visitors the Wikipedia page has, which speaks to
the impact of the DOI being on that Wikipedia page.

That would be a simple enough piece of code to write and has a very
high chance of being incorporated into their system.



As for measuring impact of Wikimedia contributions .. I think the
hardest part is determining which Wikimedia pages should be allocated
to which people, so spelling fix are filtered out (easy) and reverts
are also detected and eliminated (harder).

e.g.

You do want impact of
https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Research_in_education:_Open_and_networked_practices
appearing in your profile.  James Neill may also want it appearing in
his impact, but the single edit by User:Rnfitzgerald (Robert
Fitzgerald?) should not mean they can add it to their profile (IMO).

Once the 'who can claim which pages' problem is solved, adding basic
impact data is easy using the data already published and available via
suitable apis

http://stats.grok.se/en.v/latest/Research_in_education:_Open_and_networked_practices

http://stats.grok.se/json/en.v/latest30/Research_in_education:_Open_and_networked_practices

The simplest approach to the 'who can claim which pages' problem is
the person must add each page individually if they feel it is
appropriate to claim credit for it.  Then add a cross link to
introduce peer-pressure to prevent fraudulent claims; i.e. "three
other people also claim this page as their own work" or something
similar.


On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Alexander Hayes
 wrote:
> Have done.
>
> A very important step forward to connect these organisations.
>
> Regards,
>
> Alexander Hayes
>
> Professional Associate, University of Canberra
> PhD. Candidate, University of Wollongong
> Web Developer, The Australian National University
>
> Mobile: +61427996984
> Skype: alexanderhayes (Canberra)
>
> Portfolio: http://www.alexanderhayes.com
> LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/alexanderhayes
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/alexanderhayes
> Google+: https://plus.google.com/u/0/+AlexanderHayes/posts
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Leigh Blackall 
> wrote:
>>
>> I'm casually lobbying a webservice for researcher impact factor to add
>> functionality around Wikimedia Contributions and other alternative venues.
>> Perhaps you could help vote the suggestion up?
>>
>> http://feedback.impactstory.org/forums/166950-general/suggestions/5788952-collect-data-from-a-range-of-niche-but-probable-gr
>>
>>
>>
>



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