Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] NDTV stealing photographs off the internet.

2011-12-24 Thread Gautam John 
Here's a piece that broadly covers the area.

http://www.mylaw.net/Article/Fair_use_and_reporting_news/

Thank you.

Best,

Gautam
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] NDTV stealing photographs off the internet.

2011-12-23 Thread Arjun Mangol Kanoth 
Image response -
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Cheers!

On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Gautam John wrote:

> On 24 December 2011 10:41, Gautam John  wrote:
>
> >> Fair use applies when no other options available.  In case of CC,
> >> options are wide open. If somebody decides to override a CC licensed
> >> file with a fair use, it is a clear Copy Vio.
>
> > Ummm, no. Not to the best of my knowledge.
>
>
> http://wiki.creativecommons.org/FAQ#Do_Creative_Commons_licenses_affect_fair_use.2C_fair_dealing_or_other_exceptions_to_copyright.3F
>
> Thank you.
>
> Best,
>
> Gautam
> 
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] NDTV stealing photographs off the internet.

2011-12-23 Thread Gautam John 
On 24 December 2011 10:41, Gautam John  wrote:

>> Fair use applies when no other options available.  In case of CC,
>> options are wide open. If somebody decides to override a CC licensed
>> file with a fair use, it is a clear Copy Vio.

> Ummm, no. Not to the best of my knowledge.

http://wiki.creativecommons.org/FAQ#Do_Creative_Commons_licenses_affect_fair_use.2C_fair_dealing_or_other_exceptions_to_copyright.3F

Thank you.

Best,

Gautam

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] NDTV stealing photographs off the internet.

2011-12-23 Thread Gautam John 
On 24 December 2011 10:38, Praveen Prakash  wrote:

> Fair use applies when no other options available.  In case of CC,
> options are wide open. If somebody decides to override a CC licensed
> file with a fair use, it is a clear Copy Vio.

Ummm, no. Not to the best of my knowledge.

Thank you.

Best,

Gautam

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] NDTV stealing photographs off the internet.

2011-12-23 Thread Praveen Prakash 
Fair use applies when no other options available.  In case of CC,
options are wide open. If somebody decides to override a CC licensed
file with a fair use, it is a clear Copy Vio.

On 23/12/2011, Arun Ganesh  wrote:
> I dug up the Indian fair use law and found this:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_India/Fair_use#reproduction_in_a_newspaper
>
> In this case, the aircraft had crashed and it was no longer possible to get
> such a photograph, but can a newspaper otherwise just pick up any photo off
> the internet and use it under fair use clause just to avoid paying
> licensing fees of the photograph?
>
> -arun
>
> On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 9:50 PM, Gautam John wrote:
>
>> On 23 December 2011 21:43, Srikanth Ramakrishnan
>>  wrote:
>>
>> > Gautam, thank you for correcting me, but I believe Digitally Stealing
>> > is also defined as Using Data Without Permission. Atleast that's the
>> > definition Microsoft uses for their Windows Genuine campaign. Forgive
>> > me if I'm wrong.
>>
>> Since when did Microsoft become the arbiter of all that is sacred in
>> copyright law? :)
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Gautam
>> 
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] NDTV stealing photographs off the internet.

2011-12-23 Thread CherianTinu Abraham 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/arunganesh/4345797042/

If I remember correctly, Times of India later apologized for not giving
attribution to while using one of Arun's CC licensed works on their
newspaper.

-TC

On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 11:24 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Indian Law is indeed scary. I know most pictures on the internet get
> flicked, Arun, being a victim of Times of India earlier, but this is a
> bit unfair? But then again, most of real life is.
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] NDTV stealing photographs off the internet.

2011-12-23 Thread Anirudh Bhati 
Srikanth Ramakrishnan, a budding Jack
Valenti
?


On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 11:24 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Indian Law is indeed scary. I know most pictures on the internet get
> flicked, Arun, being a victim of Times of India earlier, but this is a
> bit unfair? But then again, most of real life is.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
> Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th.
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] NDTV stealing photographs off the internet.

2011-12-23 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
Indian Law is indeed scary. I know most pictures on the internet get
flicked, Arun, being a victim of Times of India earlier, but this is a
bit unfair? But then again, most of real life is.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] NDTV stealing photographs off the internet.

2011-12-23 Thread Gautam John 
On 23 December 2011 22:47, Sudhanwa Jogalekar  wrote:

> But what the Attribution required clause?
> Almost all of the media violate the "Attribution required" clause all the 
> time.

Technically, fair dealing provisions override the CC License provisions.

Thank you.

Best,

Gautam

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] NDTV stealing photographs off the internet.

2011-12-23 Thread Gautam John 
On 23 December 2011 22:09, Arun Ganesh  wrote:

> In this case, the aircraft had crashed and it was no longer possible to get
> such a photograph, but can a newspaper otherwise just pick up any photo off
> the internet and use it under fair use clause just to avoid paying licensing
> fees of the photograph?

I have not looked at precedent around this but I'd think it's a fairly
narrow exception.

Thank you.

Best,

Gautam

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] NDTV stealing photographs off the internet.

2011-12-23 Thread Sudhanwa Jogalekar 
This is some gray area about fair use and some benefit of doubt can be
given to media.

But what the Attribution required clause?
Almost all of the media violate the "Attribution required" clause all the time.

-Sudhanwa


On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Arun Ganesh  wrote:
> I dug up the Indian fair use law and found this:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_India/Fair_use#reproduction_in_a_newspaper
>
> In this case, the aircraft had crashed and it was no longer possible to get
> such a photograph, but can a newspaper otherwise just pick up any photo off
> the internet and use it under fair use clause just to avoid paying licensing
> fees of the photograph?
>
> -arun
>
> On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 9:50 PM, Gautam John 
> wrote:
>>
>> On 23 December 2011 21:43, Srikanth Ramakrishnan
>>  wrote:
>>
>> > Gautam, thank you for correcting me, but I believe Digitally Stealing
>> > is also defined as Using Data Without Permission. Atleast that's the
>> > definition Microsoft uses for their Windows Genuine campaign. Forgive
>> > me if I'm wrong.
>>
>> Since when did Microsoft become the arbiter of all that is sacred in
>> copyright law? :)
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Gautam
>> 
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] NDTV stealing photographs off the internet.

2011-12-23 Thread Arun Ganesh 
I dug up the Indian fair use law and found this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_India/Fair_use#reproduction_in_a_newspaper

In this case, the aircraft had crashed and it was no longer possible to get
such a photograph, but can a newspaper otherwise just pick up any photo off
the internet and use it under fair use clause just to avoid paying
licensing fees of the photograph?

-arun

On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 9:50 PM, Gautam John wrote:

> On 23 December 2011 21:43, Srikanth Ramakrishnan
>  wrote:
>
> > Gautam, thank you for correcting me, but I believe Digitally Stealing
> > is also defined as Using Data Without Permission. Atleast that's the
> > definition Microsoft uses for their Windows Genuine campaign. Forgive
> > me if I'm wrong.
>
> Since when did Microsoft become the arbiter of all that is sacred in
> copyright law? :)
>
> Thank you.
>
> Best,
>
> Gautam
> 
> http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] NDTV stealing photographs off the internet.

2011-12-23 Thread Gautam John 
On 23 December 2011 21:43, Srikanth Ramakrishnan
 wrote:

> Gautam, thank you for correcting me, but I believe Digitally Stealing
> is also defined as Using Data Without Permission. Atleast that's the
> definition Microsoft uses for their Windows Genuine campaign. Forgive
> me if I'm wrong.

Since when did Microsoft become the arbiter of all that is sacred in
copyright law? :)

Thank you.

Best,

Gautam

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] NDTV stealing photographs off the internet.

2011-12-23 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
Gautam, thank you for correcting me, but I believe Digitally Stealing
is also defined as Using Data Without Permission. Atleast that's the
definition Microsoft uses for their Windows Genuine campaign. Forgive
me if I'm wrong.

-- 
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Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] NDTV stealing photographs off the internet.

2011-12-23 Thread Gautam John 
On 23 December 2011 20:11, Srikanth Ramakrishnan  wrote:

> link on Facebook about Barkha Dutt and NDTV stealing images off the

Nothing was stolen. At best, a case of copyright infringement could
made out. That said, the fair dealing provisions relating to current
affairs might kick in too.

Can we please not refer to copyright violations as stealing? It isn't
stealing - the original still exists.

Thank you.

Best,

Gautam

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