Re: [Wikimediameta-l] [Wmf-strategy-selection] Wikimedians

2009-10-01 Thread Samuel Klein
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 11:30 PM, Mike.lifeguard
 wrote:
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> WikimediaNotifier already exists. Local wikis can transclude the
> notification page into whatever makes the most sense. A better use of
> manpower would be to do so for wikis which don't already, or work with
> the botop to put notifications on the relevant project page rather than
> on the notification page.

Ahh, kudos to Melancholie.  It seems announcements got quiet around April.

You're right that we could best put work into wikis that don't already
have a place for the notifier's user-subpage  (I'm guessing that
includes many large wikis as well.), fixing the language redundancy
(which has been discussed in the context of WikimediaNotifier twice
but not yet done), and perhaps just making it easier to run the bot.

How would these new requests get approved?
  http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_notifications/requests

The main difference I see between having announcements on a user
subpage and figuring out how to post them to the VP on each wiki
(which is scriptable, but takes a bit of work for each of those 500
wikis and then some maintenance), is that if it is a transcluded page
as it is presently,  it's not clear how persistent local discussion is
meant to happen.  (What happens when an announcement drops off the end
of the notification page?)

Anders put it well here:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Global_notifications/Archive/2008#What_is_this.3F

SJ

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Re: [Wikimediameta-l] [Wmf-strategy-selection] Wikimedians

2009-10-01 Thread Mike.lifeguard
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WikimediaNotifier already exists. Local wikis can transclude the
notification page into whatever makes the most sense. A better use of
manpower would be to do so for wikis which don't already, or work with
the botop to put notifications on the relevant project page rather than
on the notification page.

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Re: [Wikimediameta-l] [Wmf-strategy-selection] Wikimedians

2009-10-01 Thread Samuel Klein
Philippe,

I know what you mean about posting to VPs being hard.  It need not be
so difficult, however. We've talked about setting up a global
announcement tool that would do the same.

Switching to a public forum: this seems like something to bring up on
the wikimediameta-l list (and perhaps the translation coordination)
list.  This is a specific, commonly requested, and rarely accomplished
task.  In effect:

1. define the ~500 wikis that are 'active' and that we'd like to send
messages to
2. define the Village Pump page or equivalent for every page.  So if
non exist, the main talk page; &c.
3. keep an announcement script running that uses a non-bot wiki user
to post updates to these. given an announcement title, it should
3a) know how to check to see if a short announcement with that title exists
3b) default to the closest parent language in a language tree if none exist
3c) auto-inlcude a backlink to a global discussion page (default: on Meta).
4. maintain a page describing this announcement bot, in core langauges.
4a) as part of this process, keep a list of stock phrases translated
into every language.  "announcement", "a discussion about  is
taking place on Meta", "Thank you, ", etc.

Is anyone working on something like this?  Could we implement
something like this before the next round of Strategic Planning
updates?  This seems like a year when we will need such an announce
feature - particularly in a fashion that encourages local community
discussion, something a sitenotice doesn't easily allow (it is
temporary and has no obvious talk page).

SJ


On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Philippe Beaudette
 wrote:
> The process is essentially the same as it would be for any
> translation.  The problem with VP's is posting blech it takes
> a lot of time for me to do it.  Pretty well kills a morning.  I have
> heard rumors of a bot that can do it, but haven't seen it yet.
>
> Philippe
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> On Oct 1, 2009, at 8:21 PM, Samuel Klein wrote:
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>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Samuel Klein 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd be interested in leaving a personal message on the talk pages of
>>> the 1000 most active non-bot editors globally, intersected with the
>>> 10
>>> most active editors on each wiki, asking for their input in some way.
>>> These are people for whom the current projects are worth a good deal
>>> of interest and effort...
>>
>> There's no terrible rush for this - we could calculate who this would
>> be, post the list, and discuss the idea of leaving a brief one liner
>> and a link to a request-for-input.    We could probably centralize
>> this discussion on meta and link to it from the VP's of top projects.
>>
>> Speaking of which -- Philippe & Casey, is there a scripted process for
>> posting a brief message intended for VP's, ask for translations, and
>> then roll out the message as translations come in (with backlinks to a
>> unified discussion page on meta)?
>>
>> SJ
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