Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Privacy Policy - please comment and edit
On 12/04/2013 00:44, Thehelpfulone wrote: This policy describes what happens to personal information obtained through the websites hosted at uk.wikimedia.org http://uk.wikimedia.org and wikimedia.org.uk http://wikimedia.org.uk. This policy will be updated periodically. - WMUK wiki is currently on the Foundation's servers so is subject to the Foundation's privacy policy - not this one if I understand correctly? Doesn't mean it can't be subject to both. And there are currently plans for WMUK wiki hosting to be moved away from WMF servers. KTC -- Katie Chan Any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent the view of any organisation the author is associated with or employed by. Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Privacy Policy - please comment and edit
Is the hosting switch actually going ahead? I know we'd been discussing this, but I'd lost track of who was going to make the decision... Andrew. (still not convinced it's a good idea, for various reasons) On Friday, 12 April 2013, Katie Chan wrote: On 12/04/2013 00:44, Thehelpfulone wrote: This policy describes what happens to personal information obtained through the websites hosted at uk.wikimedia.org http://uk.wikimedia.org and wikimedia.org.uk http://wikimedia.org.uk. This policy will be updated periodically. - WMUK wiki is currently on the Foundation's servers so is subject to the Foundation's privacy policy - not this one if I understand correctly? Doesn't mean it can't be subject to both. And there are currently plans for WMUK wiki hosting to be moved away from WMF servers. KTC -- Katie Chan Any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent the view of any organisation the author is associated with or employed by. Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine __**_ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-lhttp://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Privacy Policy - please comment and edit
On 12/04/2013 07:16, Andrew Gray wrote: Is the hosting switch actually going ahead? I know we'd been discussing this, but I'd lost track of who was going to make the decision... Ultimately? As far as I understand, the board, based on recommendation. Staffs our lovely technology contractor have been looking into the technical details over such a move, what it entails etc. The technology committee is due to meet on 18th to discuss this (among other topics) - https://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/IT_Development/Progress_meetings/18_April_2013. Feel free to join in and take part in the discussion! :) KTC -- Katie Chan Any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent the view of any organisation the author is associated with or employed by. Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Privacy Policy - please comment and edit
On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:34, Katie Chan k...@ktchan.info wrote: Ultimately? As far as I understand, the board, based on recommendation. Staffs our lovely technology contractor have been looking into the technical details over such a move, what it entails etc. The technology committee is due to meet on 18th to discuss this (among other topics) - https://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/IT_Development/Progress_meetings/18_April_2013. Feel free to join in and take part in the discussion! :) Thanks for sharing that link - one of the biggest problems I see with moving off the Foundation servers is the lack of SUL. There's also the issue of keeping it updated etc, but that's less of a problem now that we have Tom and Emmanuel. Sent from my iPhone --- Thehelpfulone https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Thehelpfulone ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Issues with EGM resolutions
Yes, they do say that. In the name. Election rules. On 12 April 2013 00:11, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 Apr 2013 00:03, James Farrar james.far...@gmail.com wrote: The election rules only apply to elected directors, surely. That's not what they say, though. Unless something is ambiguous or impossible, legally it is interpreted literally. Intent is irrelevant. I am not a lawyer, so I don't know how a court would interpret the old election rule in the context of the proposed articles, but we really shouldn't be putting ourselves in a position where there is that kind of uncertainty. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Privacy Policy - please comment and edit
Morning all, Darn my smartphone, I read this and couldn't resist logging in to reply to reassure The idea that this needed to be put in place originated from conversations with Geoff. I hope to be meeting with LCA staff when in the foundation offices at the end of the month too. The policy is not a polished/finished version - I just needed to get it out on the wiki before leaving the office yesterday. It will have a through tidy up/go through in due course (so, interlinking etc) but I wanted to get any community input at this stage. Feel free to correct mistakes you find as per usual :) Lets deal with the hosting of the UK wiki at Tech Comm - http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/IT_Development/Progress_meetings/18_April_2013Thedecision to move was made by the Board in March - we'll discuss the issues next week (all welcome to join what will be a telecon) and draw up proposals to mitigate/tackle issues. We've been in touch with WMF staff about the issue too. Have a lovely weekend all! *Katherine Bavage * *Fundraising Manager * *Wikimedia UK* +44 20 7065 0752 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 12 April 2013 08:04, Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonew...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 Apr 2013, at 07:34, Katie Chan k...@ktchan.info wrote: Ultimately? As far as I understand, the board, based on recommendation. Staffs our lovely technology contractor have been looking into the technical details over such a move, what it entails etc. The technology committee is due to meet on 18th to discuss this (among other topics) - https://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/IT_Development/Progress_meetings/18_April_2013. Feel free to join in and take part in the discussion! :) Thanks for sharing that link - one of the biggest problems I see with moving off the Foundation servers is the lack of SUL. There's also the issue of keeping it updated etc, but that's less of a problem now that we have Tom and Emmanuel. Sent from my iPhone --- Thehelpfulone https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Thehelpfulone ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Issues with EGM resolutions
Titles of legal documents rarely mean anything. On 12 Apr 2013 08:54, James Farrar james.far...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, they do say that. In the name. Election rules. On 12 April 2013 00:11, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 Apr 2013 00:03, James Farrar james.far...@gmail.com wrote: The election rules only apply to elected directors, surely. That's not what they say, though. Unless something is ambiguous or impossible, legally it is interpreted literally. Intent is irrelevant. I am not a lawyer, so I don't know how a court would interpret the old election rule in the context of the proposed articles, but we really shouldn't be putting ourselves in a position where there is that kind of uncertainty. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Privacy Policy - please comment and edit
My recollection from a board meeting is that we were instructed to go ahead with the transfer. I can't find which meeting it was though... Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 12 April 2013 07:16, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: Is the hosting switch actually going ahead? I know we'd been discussing this, but I'd lost track of who was going to make the decision... Andrew. (still not convinced it's a good idea, for various reasons) On Friday, 12 April 2013, Katie Chan wrote: On 12/04/2013 00:44, Thehelpfulone wrote: This policy describes what happens to personal information obtained through the websites hosted at uk.wikimedia.org http://uk.wikimedia.org and wikimedia.org.uk http://wikimedia.org.uk. This policy will be updated periodically. - WMUK wiki is currently on the Foundation's servers so is subject to the Foundation's privacy policy - not this one if I understand correctly? Doesn't mean it can't be subject to both. And there are currently plans for WMUK wiki hosting to be moved away from WMF servers. KTC -- Katie Chan Any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent the view of any organisation the author is associated with or employed by. Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine __**_ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-lhttp://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Privacy Policy - please comment and edit
Indeed, at the 9th Feb board meeting. See the minutes (under 'tech committee') at: http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Minutes_9Feb13#Education_committee Thanks, Mike On 12 Apr 2013, at 10:52, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: My recollection from a board meeting is that we were instructed to go ahead with the transfer. I can't find which meeting it was though... Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. On 12 April 2013 07:16, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: Is the hosting switch actually going ahead? I know we'd been discussing this, but I'd lost track of who was going to make the decision... Andrew. (still not convinced it's a good idea, for various reasons) On Friday, 12 April 2013, Katie Chan wrote: On 12/04/2013 00:44, Thehelpfulone wrote: This policy describes what happens to personal information obtained through the websites hosted at uk.wikimedia.org http://uk.wikimedia.org and wikimedia.org.uk http://wikimedia.org.uk. This policy will be updated periodically. - WMUK wiki is currently on the Foundation's servers so is subject to the Foundation's privacy policy - not this one if I understand correctly? Doesn't mean it can't be subject to both. And there are currently plans for WMUK wiki hosting to be moved away from WMF servers. KTC -- Katie Chan Any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent the view of any organisation the author is associated with or employed by. Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Issues with EGM resolutions
Look, if you want to argue that election rules apply to non-elected directors, that's your privilege. On 12 April 2013 10:33, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: Titles of legal documents rarely mean anything. On 12 Apr 2013 08:54, James Farrar james.far...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, they do say that. In the name. Election rules. On 12 April 2013 00:11, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 Apr 2013 00:03, James Farrar james.far...@gmail.com wrote: The election rules only apply to elected directors, surely. That's not what they say, though. Unless something is ambiguous or impossible, legally it is interpreted literally. Intent is irrelevant. I am not a lawyer, so I don't know how a court would interpret the old election rule in the context of the proposed articles, but we really shouldn't be putting ourselves in a position where there is that kind of uncertainty. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Issues with EGM resolutions
On 12 April 2013 10:56, James Farrar james.far...@gmail.com wrote: Look, if you want to argue that election rules apply to non-elected directors, that's your privilege. If you want to start re-interpreting rules to mean something other than what they actually say, then I suggest getting some legal advice... ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Issues with EGM resolutions
On 12 April 2013 12:07, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 April 2013 10:56, James Farrar james.far...@gmail.com wrote: Look, if you want to argue that election rules apply to non-elected directors, that's your privilege. If you want to start re-interpreting rules to mean something other than what they actually say, then I suggest getting some legal advice... On that note I do side with James - it does say Election Rules. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Issues with EGM resolutions
On 12 April 2013 13:00, Deryck Chan deryckc...@gmail.com wrote: On that note I do side with James - it does say Election Rules. As I've said, the title is irrelevant. The rules say The maximum number of directors shall be seven. It doesn't say elected directors. It is possible a court would interpret it as meaning elected directors in light of the amended articles, but I don't think it is obvious that they would. The rule as it stands is perfectly clear and unambiguous and is possible to implement, so there is no need to look for alternative interpretations or consider intent. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Another voting reminder
Richard, I plan to attend tomorrow. But just in case, oh, I happen to be eaten by a giant bear or something on the way (although that may disqualify me from voting), I hereby would like to register my proxy vote in advance. For all three motions, I would like to vote to support. Yours, -- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/ On Thursday, 11 April 2013 at 17:21, Richard Symonds wrote: All, Just another quick email to remind you that email proxies for the 2013 EGM must be received by 15:30 British Summer Time (UTC+1) tomorrow, Friday 12th April 2013. You can also vote in person on the day. Don't forget! Richard Symonds ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Another voting reminder
My previous email was meant to go to Richard, not to the whole list. Whoops. The secrecy of my ballot destroyed by my incompetence. #fail as the kids say. -- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/ ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Issues with EGM resolutions
Really, you're looking for problems where none exists. If we end up in a situation where nothing defines the number of directors, that's a problem that needs rectifying before an election process can begin. But in any other situation we know how stuff is supposed to work even if the language can be claimed to be ambiguous. I tend to operate on the assumption that members of the charity will behave like adults. On 12 April 2013 13:00, Deryck Chan deryckc...@gmail.com wrote: On that note I do side with James - it does say Election Rules. As I've said, the title is irrelevant. The rules say The maximum number of directors shall be seven. It doesn't say elected directors. It is possible a court would interpret it as meaning elected directors in light of the amended articles, but I don't think it is obvious that they would. The rule as it stands is perfectly clear and unambiguous and is possible to implement, so there is no need to look for alternative interpretations or consider intent. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Issues with EGM resolutions
On 12 April 2013 16:24, James Farrar james.far...@gmail.com wrote: Really, you're looking for problems where none exists. If we end up in a situation where nothing defines the number of directors, that's a problem that needs rectifying before an election process can begin. But in any other situation we know how stuff is supposed to work even if the language can be claimed to be ambiguous. I tend to operate on the assumption that members of the charity will behave like adults. These are legal documents. You can't just interpret them however you like. You have to do what they actually say. There is nothing ambiguous. It is all very clear, it just isn't what was intended. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Issues with EGM resolutions
And I'm sure that if we do anything in the tiniest way different from your interpretation of them you won't hesitate to let us know in your inimitable helpful and friendly fashion. On 12 Apr 2013 17:12, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 April 2013 16:24, James Farrar james.far...@gmail.com wrote: Really, you're looking for problems where none exists. If we end up in a situation where nothing defines the number of directors, that's a problem that needs rectifying before an election process can begin. But in any other situation we know how stuff is supposed to work even if the language can be claimed to be ambiguous. I tend to operate on the assumption that members of the charity will behave like adults. These are legal documents. You can't just interpret them however you like. You have to do what they actually say. There is nothing ambiguous. It is all very clear, it just isn't what was intended. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Issues with EGM resolutions
On 12 April 2013 18:53, James Farrar james.far...@gmail.com wrote: And I'm sure that if we do anything in the tiniest way different from your interpretation of them you won't hesitate to let us know in your inimitable helpful and friendly fashion. Wrong again. You guys are on your own. I've had enough. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
