Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Edward Buckner/Peter Damian Wikimedia UK
As somebody who has nevwer been an arbitrator, functionary, or board member, and as somebody whose real-life identity is on his userpage for all to see, I thought I'd just chime in that I agree completely with Anthony and Richard. I have personally spoken to at least two respected members of the Wikipedia community who are members of WMUK who have told me that they feel uncomfortable attending events at which Edward Buckner/Peter Damian is present because he has attempted or might attempt to out them, such as by posting photographs of them on the Internet or by publishing the real names of some of those who edit under pseudonyms (and many editors use pseudonyms because they have good reason not to want their real life job or identity etc associated with their Wikipedia username). It is lamentable that a precedent has been set for banning a person from WMUK events, but in this case, I endorse the decision unreservedly, because people should be able to attend such events without worrying about the informationt hat migh be maliciously published about them. Harry Mitchell (User:HJ Mitchell) From: Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com To: pet...@cix.compulink.co.uk; wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, 10 January 2012, 2:03 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [Functionaries-en] Edward Buckner/Peter Damian W What makes you think everyone that attends a WMUK event is in a high-profile role and is in a position of authority? The trustees of WMUK are all perfectly open about their real life identities, as it is required by law. You can go onto the Companies House website and find out about them whether they like it or now (or you can just go onto the WMUK website and find out even more, of course). The same goes for the trustees and senior staff of the WMF. This ban isn't to protect the board, it's to protect other people attending events. On 10 January 2012 01:50, Peter Cohen pet...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote: In-Reply-To: 2224b9fe-c1a6-4ef0-98b3-c0cd5ae53...@gmail.com Anthony, I am just an ordinary Wikipedian. Although I have contemplated becoming an admin in the past, I have never applied to be one and don't intend to do so in the foreseeable future. As such, I have no obligation to acknowledge anything about anyone. It so happens that the Wikipedian I have probably had most contact with as a Wikipedian is an anonymous editor and I understand enough of his circumstances to know why it is appropriate in his case. I am not going to out him or other ordinary editors or admins who focus on using the brush end of the broom. However, the higher someone gets up the hierarchy the less appropriate it is for someone to be granted anonymity. When someone is active in AE or has an extensive history of using blocks against established editors, then the right to privacy becomes questionable. Wikipedia isn't just a private club. It is one of the most powerful websites in the world. Arbitrators, senior Foundation staff and directors of WMUK and the like are in positions of authority over that website and it is entirely appropriate that they should be scrutinised publcly. I don't know as much about Buckner as you do. Maybe I would be horrified by him if I did. But I'm not going to accept that everyone in high-profile roles should be above external scrutiny. And actually it's surprising how restrained people are being. As far as I know, no one seems to have gone to Private Eye. Peter Peter, The additional issues with Buckner, who routinely tries to uncover the identity of Wikipedians who are in high-profile roles, mean it is quite appropriate to ban him from these events. Nobody said he was a security risk, but it is the case that he has caused stress among many editors for no other reason than that he can. A subset of these editors have resigned because of Buckner/Damian. He should not be welcome at WMUK events because of his behaviour, period. It astounds me that you don't acknowledge the ongoing issues with this man's actions. Anthony ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Edward Buckner/Peter Damian Wikimedia UK
As someone who does attend real life events and who does edit under a pseudonym, I'm rather grateful for those who've spoken up and are aware of this issue. I'm an admin on the English Wikipedia, so to some of the trolls at WR I suppose I'm a target for outing. As an admin I have done quite a bit of trawling userspace for attack pages, and of the more than five thousand pages I've deleted quite a large proportion have been attack pages. Not surprisingly I've had quite a bit of abuse up to and including death threats from the people I've thereby annoyed. As a regular at GLAM and other events I'm aware that there is a risk that at some point I will be outed deliberately or by accident, and so I've switched my focus to other less contentious areas of editing. But the longer I can putoff the day when someone links my userid and my real life identity the safer I will feel. I'm not suggesting that only those who've had death threats via their Wikipedia account should decide on the risk we as a chapter take about the outing of fellow editors. But I would appreciate it if people bore that sort of concern in mind when they contemplated welcoming to our meetings those who want to out editors. Regards WereSpielChequers On 10 January 2012 17:16, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote: As somebody who has nevwer been an arbitrator, functionary, or board member, and as somebody whose real-life identity is on his userpage for all to see, I thought I'd just chime in that I agree completely with Anthony and Richard. I have personally spoken to at least two respected members of the Wikipedia community who are members of WMUK who have told me that they feel uncomfortable attending events at which Edward Buckner/Peter Damian is present because he has attempted or might attempt to out them, such as by posting photographs of them on the Internet or by publishing the real names of some of those who edit under pseudonyms (and many editors use pseudonyms because they have good reason not to want their real life job or identity etc associated with their Wikipedia username). It is lamentable that a precedent has been set for banning a person from WMUK events, but in this case, I endorse the decision unreservedly, because people should be able to attend such events without worrying about the informationt hat migh be maliciously published about them. Harry Mitchell (User:HJ Mitchell) *From:* Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com *To:* pet...@cix.compulink.co.uk; wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org *Sent:* Tuesday, 10 January 2012, 2:03 *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [Functionaries-en] Edward Buckner/Peter Damian W What makes you think everyone that attends a WMUK event is in a high-profile role and is in a position of authority? The trustees of WMUK are all perfectly open about their real life identities, as it is required by law. You can go onto the Companies House website and find out about them whether they like it or now (or you can just go onto the WMUK website and find out even more, of course). The same goes for the trustees and senior staff of the WMF. This ban isn't to protect the board, it's to protect other people attending events. On 10 January 2012 01:50, Peter Cohen pet...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote: In-Reply-To: 2224b9fe-c1a6-4ef0-98b3-c0cd5ae53...@gmail.com Anthony, I am just an ordinary Wikipedian. Although I have contemplated becoming an admin in the past, I have never applied to be one and don't intend to do so in the foreseeable future. As such, I have no obligation to acknowledge anything about anyone. It so happens that the Wikipedian I have probably had most contact with as a Wikipedian is an anonymous editor and I understand enough of his circumstances to know why it is appropriate in his case. I am not going to out him or other ordinary editors or admins who focus on using the brush end of the broom. However, the higher someone gets up the hierarchy the less appropriate it is for someone to be granted anonymity. When someone is active in AE or has an extensive history of using blocks against established editors, then the right to privacy becomes questionable. Wikipedia isn't just a private club. It is one of the most powerful websites in the world. Arbitrators, senior Foundation staff and directors of WMUK and the like are in positions of authority over that website and it is entirely appropriate that they should be scrutinised publcly. I don't know as much about Buckner as you do. Maybe I would be horrified by him if I did. But I'm not going to accept that everyone in high-profile roles should be above external scrutiny. And actually it's surprising how restrained people are being. As far as I know, no one seems to have gone to Private Eye. Peter Peter, The additional issues with Buckner, who routinely tries to uncover the identity of Wikipedians who are in high-profile roles, mean
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Edward Buckner/Peter Damian Wikimedia UK
On 10 January 2012 19:05, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.comwrote: As someone who does attend real life events and who does edit under a pseudonym, I'm rather grateful for those who've spoken up and are aware of this issue. It's more than one issue, of course. The whole area of outing editors is toxic in the ArbCom-jargon sense: in other words the community of enWP dumps it into the lap of a few trusties, so that _it does not have to be discussed on a public mailing list_, amongst other things. I would question whether anyone who has not thought through the implications should be giving opinions on such a list. If anyone thinks that the natural justice issue is trivial, or that barring individuals deemed persona grata actually solves the outing problem rather than driving it to more covert methods, they (frankly) have no idea what they are talking about. In short, this is a very bad topic to have one of our typical threads about. The Board presumably anticipated an appeal procedure, so they should use it, and moderate this list. Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Edward Buckner/Peter Damian Wikimedia UK
On 9 January 2012 12:37, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: All, Several respected members of the Wikimedia community – and several members of our charity – have approached us voicing their concerns about Edward Buckner, an ex-Wikipedia user who was banned from the project for harassing volunteers on and off Wikipedia. Given his past and present conduct, which includes harassment and publishing personal details of Wikimedians, we do not feel that we can guarantee the security of our volunteers if he is permitted to attend our events. To that end, Wikimedia UK have banned Dr Buckner (known on Wikipedia as User:Peter Damian) from attending any Chapter-run events (not including the London meetups) until further notice. Dr Buckner is, of course, still welcome to communicate with the charity through email and post, and this ban is subject to review in future if circumstances change. For the Wikimedia UK Board of Trustees, Richard Symonds Office Development Manager Wikimedia UK It all seems very strange. It reminds me of Gerry Healy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Healy) when he was kicked out of The Labour Party photographing delegates outside the conference. or the Don't tell him Spike scene in Dad's Army. In terms of WP:COI editors are frequently outed, so are one set of editors allowed to remain completely anonymous and others not? I've been part of the project for 8 years and even being part of the email lists leaves you vulnerable to outside scrutiny. If the harassment is tangible then bring it to the notice of the authorities. Otherwise this is the most bizarre communication I have ever read in a public list. Michael West ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Edward Buckner/Peter Damian Wikimedia UK
Hi all, As a WMUK trustee, I'm finding this whole issue to be a serious dilemma. I'm deeply committed to the 'open to all to participate and contribute' philosophy for all of our activities, and find it very saddening that the WMUK board has been put in the position where we have to ban someone from the events we support in order for others to be able to attend them without having to be concerned about their privacy. I don't think this needs saying, but I'll say it anyway to make it absolutely clear: this was not an easy decision, nor was it a rushed one (or a 'panic measure' as was earlier suggested). A lot of thought and discussion went into this (and sadly, that thought and discussion would have otherwise been invested in our charitable activities). As one of the moderators of this list, I am very reticent to block Edward from posting here, so long as Edward's posts remain civil, logical, and without malice. This is a public mailing list, so there are no privacy concerns here. If you don't want to engage in this discussion, then please simply don't reply to it. In terms of the appeal procedure: if privacy concerns allow, then I would much prefer that if such a process takes place, that it takes place in public - either on this list or on the WMUK wiki (although Edward is banned from editing most of the WMUK wiki, he is not blocked from his user talk page so an appeal could take place there). If it can't be public due to those privacy concerns, then I would prefer if an uninvolved, neutral community member would step forward to be the adjudicator, to avoid any suggestion of prejudice. Thanks, Mike ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Edward Buckner/Peter Damian Wikimedia UK
Regarding my previous email (in which I may have inadvertently contradicted Mike!), please defer to his views on this over mine. Richard On 10 January 2012 21:16, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote: Hi all, As a WMUK trustee, I'm finding this whole issue to be a serious dilemma. I'm deeply committed to the 'open to all to participate and contribute' philosophy for all of our activities, and find it very saddening that the WMUK board has been put in the position where we have to ban someone from the events we support in order for others to be able to attend them without having to be concerned about their privacy. I don't think this needs saying, but I'll say it anyway to make it absolutely clear: this was not an easy decision, nor was it a rushed one (or a 'panic measure' as was earlier suggested). A lot of thought and discussion went into this (and sadly, that thought and discussion would have otherwise been invested in our charitable activities). As one of the moderators of this list, I am very reticent to block Edward from posting here, so long as Edward's posts remain civil, logical, and without malice. This is a public mailing list, so there are no privacy concerns here. If you don't want to engage in this discussion, then please simply don't reply to it. In terms of the appeal procedure: if privacy concerns allow, then I would much prefer that if such a process takes place, that it takes place in public - either on this list or on the WMUK wiki (although Edward is banned from editing most of the WMUK wiki, he is not blocked from his user talk page so an appeal could take place there). If it can't be public due to those privacy concerns, then I would prefer if an uninvolved, neutral community member would step forward to be the adjudicator, to avoid any suggestion of prejudice. Thanks, Mike ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Edward Buckner/Peter Damian Wikimedia UK
This is missing the point. This is all about a British Museum event I signed up to attend some time ago, before the UKCC thing blew up. When other involved persons signed up I had it on my 'to do' list to remove my signature, conscious of the fact that it would have been embarrassing or difficult. I would have had no problem if I had been privately contacted and the matter discreetly handled. Note my interest in the Royal manuscript collection derives from my interest in Walter Burley, who I have translated. Instead, I find my name bandied about on this public list, being accused of 'harassment' like a common thug or criminal. I deeply resent this and I would like an apology. I have no problem with a voluntary agreement. I would like an apology, and a retraction of the accusation of 'harassment'. I don't go in for 'outing' particularly, although I think trustees and senior Wikipedians have an obligation to be publicly identifiable. And note my earlier comments about photography - only with permission, if at all. Edward is banned from editing most of the WMUK wiki, he is not blocked from his user talk page so an appeal could take place there I don't want to appeal anything. I simply want a retraction of allegations of 'on and off wiki harassment'. This has been deeply upsetting. Edward - Original Message - From: Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.uk To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Edward Buckner/Peter Damian Wikimedia UK Hi all, As a WMUK trustee, I'm finding this whole issue to be a serious dilemma. I'm deeply committed to the 'open to all to participate and contribute' philosophy for all of our activities, and find it very saddening that the WMUK board has been put in the position where we have to ban someone from the events we support in order for others to be able to attend them without having to be concerned about their privacy. I don't think this needs saying, but I'll say it anyway to make it absolutely clear: this was not an easy decision, nor was it a rushed one (or a 'panic measure' as was earlier suggested). A lot of thought and discussion went into this (and sadly, that thought and discussion would have otherwise been invested in our charitable activities). As one of the moderators of this list, I am very reticent to block Edward from posting here, so long as Edward's posts remain civil, logical, and without malice. This is a public mailing list, so there are no privacy concerns here. If you don't want to engage in this discussion, then please simply don't reply to it. In terms of the appeal procedure: if privacy concerns allow, then I would much prefer that if such a process takes place, that it takes place in public - either on this list or on the WMUK wiki (although Edward is banned from editing most of the WMUK wiki, he is not blocked from his user talk page so an appeal could take place there). If it can't be public due to those privacy concerns, then I would prefer if an uninvolved, neutral community member would step forward to be the adjudicator, to avoid any suggestion of prejudice. Thanks, Mike ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Edward Buckner/Peter Damian Wikimedia UK
On 10 January 2012 22:21, Edward at Logic Museum edw...@logicmuseum.com wrote: This is missing the point. This is all about a British Museum event I signed up to attend some time ago, before the UKCC thing blew up. When other involved persons signed up I had it on my 'to do' list to remove my signature, conscious of the fact that it would have been embarrassing or difficult. I would have had no problem if I had been privately contacted and the matter discreetly handled. Note my interest in the Royal manuscript collection derives from my interest in Walter Burley, who I have translated. Instead, I find my name bandied about on this public list, being accused of 'harassment' like a common thug or criminal. I deeply resent this and I would like an apology. I have no problem with a voluntary agreement. I would like an apology, and a retraction of the accusation of 'harassment'. I don't go in for 'outing' particularly, although I think trustees and senior Wikipedians have an obligation to be publicly identifiable. And note my earlier comments about photography - only with permission, if at all. Edward is banned from editing most of the WMUK wiki, he is not blocked from his user talk page so an appeal could take place there I don't want to appeal anything. I simply want a retraction of allegations of 'on and off wiki harassment'. This has been deeply upsetting. Edward Seriously this thing is both worrying and casts the whole WMUK in a vindictive light. I see no need for a public statement to be issued. Wikepedians do fall out but why publicize allegations which have never been reported to outside authorities, either all of you have lost your minds or spat will escalates in an expensive court case. I'm confused and flabbergasted. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Edward Buckner/Peter Damian Wikimedia UK
On 9 January 2012 12:37, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote: All, ** ** Several respected members of the Wikimedia community – and several members of our charity – have approached us voicing their concerns about Edward Buckner, an ex-Wikipedia user who was banned from the project for harassing volunteers on and off Wikipedia. Given his past and present conduct, which includes harassment and publishing personal details of Wikimedians, we do not feel that we can guarantee the security of our volunteers if he is permitted to attend our events. ** ** To that end, Wikimedia UK have banned Dr Buckner (known on Wikipedia as User:Peter Damian) from attending any Chapter-run events (not including the London meetups) until further notice. Dr Buckner is, of course, still welcome to communicate with the charity through email and post, and this ban is subject to review in future if circumstances change. ** ** For the Wikimedia UK Board of Trustees, ** ** Richard Symonds Office Development Manager Wikimedia UK I imagine the Board feels it has discussed the matter properly. While I have plenty of background on this (from ArbCom and from personal contact), I'm not sure I know the definition of a chapter-run event. Charles ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Edward Buckner/Peter Damian Wikimedia UK
In-Reply-To: 003b01cccecb$72bcf1d0$5836d570$@wikimedia.org.uk Excuse me but is the board really saying that Dr Buckner is a security risk? That makes him sound like an axe murderer or something. I can understand your saying that you might not want him to take advantage of events you organise if he is actively gunning for your organisation. But as far as I know that is only metaphorical violence. Maybe there is something I don't know but this sounds like a panic measure in reaction to his threat of going to the Charity Commission and to my letter of this morning to the Joint Committee about problems I perceive in the evidence submitted to it. Peter Cohen All, Several respected members of the Wikimedia community - and several members of our charity - have approached us voicing their concerns about Edward Buckner, an ex-Wikipedia user who was banned from the project for harassing volunteers on and off Wikipedia. Given his past and present conduct, which includes harassment and publishing personal details of Wikimedians, we do not feel that we can guarantee the security of our volunteers if he is permitted to attend our events. To that end, Wikimedia UK have banned Dr Buckner (known on Wikipedia as User:Peter Damian) from attending any Chapter-run events (not including the London meetups) until further notice. Dr Buckner is, of course, still welcome to communicate with the charity through email and post, and this ban is subject to review in future if circumstances change. For the Wikimedia UK Board of Trustees, Richard Symonds Office Development Manager Wikimedia UK -- Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited, a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Our Registered Charity No. is 1144513. The Registered Office is 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. Wikimedia UK is the local chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent non-profit organization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Edward Buckner/Peter Damian Wikimedia UK
On 9 January 2012 23:34, Peter Cohen pet...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote: In-Reply-To: 003b01cccecb$72bcf1d0$5836d570$@wikimedia.org.uk Excuse me but is the board really saying that Dr Buckner is a security risk? That makes him sound like an axe murderer or something. As mentioned, he has a history of outing people. I imagine it is in that sense that he is considered a security risk (I've not discussed this decision with anyone on the board, so I'm just speculating based on what I know of the board). Some people like to keep their real life identities secret and that is a little difficult when meeting people in person. You need to be able to trust the people you are meeting. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Edward Buckner/Peter Damian Wikimedia UK
Firstly, this is my own view, not that of the chapter's. That said, I do have a bit of inside knowledge from both the chapter and my time on ArbCom, which I've drawn on to some degree here. -- AGK and Charles Matthews, as well as a few others, will be well aware of the full history - but in short, Tom and AGK are right when they say that security is a reference to outing and harassment. Buckner attending events was something that several members and UK-based Wikimedians did contact us about, and he was banned not because he's criticising us, but because we can't trust him to keep the identities of our members secret when our members ask to remain anonymous. Neither is it a knee-jerk reaction to Peter Cohen's (or Buckner's) letter: the decision to ban was taken a while ago, but was only made public today. The timing is a coincidence. As to 'safety', people's physical safety is not in question - but their privacy is. Being forcibly 'outed' is a traumatic experience for anyone. Many of you know that we have editors - and members - who wish to remain anonymous, for good reason. Some are under 18. Several would lose their jobs if they were outed - and once the information is public, it's very, very difficult to remove it. Given Buckner's past history, it's clear that he cannot be trusted with keeping the identities of those whom he meets secret. We have a duty to our members to make sure that they feel safe and welcome at real-life events, and several people have stated to us that they simply wouldn't feel safe or welcome at the same event as Dr Buckner. Peter (or anyone else): if you would like to meet me at some point in the future, I will take you through Buckner's history on-wiki, and the reasons he was banned from Wikipedia. I will also happily take you through some of my own experiences of being (incorrectly) outed on Wikipedia Review, including the real life repercussions on me, my family, and my job. Finally, I know that some people share the same concerns as Buckner about our charitable status, but we welcome constructive criticism of what we're doing. That's how Wikipedia works, after all - discussion. Several Wikipedia Review members have been in touch with us, politely and openly, with their concerns - most of them have done so on-wiki. Those people have not been banned, and will not be banned as long as they're polite, honest, and open. But what is not acceptable is creating an atmosphere in which people feel unable to attend real-life events or contribute to the projects because of the actions of a single person. Having such a suspicious atmosphere damages our goal of 'free knowledge for all', and makes it very difficult to have inclusive events that anyone can attend. Richard Symonds -Original Message- From: wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Dalton Sent: 09 January 2012 23:45 To: pet...@cix.compulink.co.uk; wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Edward Buckner/Peter Damian Wikimedia UK On 9 January 2012 23:34, Peter Cohen pet...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote: In-Reply-To: 003b01cccecb$72bcf1d0$5836d570$@wikimedia.org.uk Excuse me but is the board really saying that Dr Buckner is a security risk? That makes him sound like an axe murderer or something. As mentioned, he has a history of outing people. I imagine it is in that sense that he is considered a security risk (I've not discussed this decision with anyone on the board, so I'm just speculating based on what I know of the board). Some people like to keep their real life identities secret and that is a little difficult when meeting people in person. You need to be able to trust the people you are meeting. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
