Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: [Wmfcc-l] Tangential press: "BBC to put nation's oil paintings online"

2009-01-31 Thread Sam Korn
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Michael Peel wrote: > As we're uploading from the UK, then UK rules also apply to us. > > Something additional to bear in mind: we have a thing called database > rights, which this probably falls under, and effectively gives them > copyright over their images for 1

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: [Wmfcc-l] Tangential press: "BBC to put nation's oil paintings online"

2009-01-30 Thread Andrew Gray
2009/1/30 Mark (Markie) : > in the US they dont, and since thats where WMF servers are thats the rules > that apply for us. The rules that apply to us, as WMF, hosting them, perhaps. But they're certainly not the rules that apply to us, the British citizens sitting in the UK, making copies and upl

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: [Wmfcc-l] Tangential press: "BBC to put nation's oil paintings online"

2009-01-30 Thread Mark (Markie)
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Michael Peel wrote: > As we're uploading from the UK, then UK rules also apply to us. probably a reasonable point, but hard to point againts us i should think (grey area ish) > > > Something additional to bear in mind: we have a thing called database > rights,

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: [Wmfcc-l] Tangential press: "BBC to put nation's oil paintings online"

2009-01-30 Thread Michael Peel
As we're uploading from the UK, then UK rules also apply to us. Something additional to bear in mind: we have a thing called database rights, which this probably falls under, and effectively gives them copyright over their images for 15 years. The best thing to do is to try to work with them.

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: [Wmfcc-l] Tangential press: "BBC to put nation's oil paintings online"

2009-01-30 Thread George D. Watson
Yeah, the BBC has a bit more clout than us. I'd email them asking for explicit permission, if I were you. Andrew Gray wrote: 2009/1/30 AndrewRT : My knowledge of copyright law is limited, but surely if the BBC creates a photograph of an object which is in the public domain, they still own th

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: [Wmfcc-l] Tangential press: "BBC to put nation's oil paintings online"

2009-01-30 Thread Mark (Markie)
in the US they dont, and since thats where WMF servers are thats the rules that apply for us. regards mark On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Andrew Gray wrote: > 2009/1/30 AndrewRT : > > My knowledge of copyright law is limited, but surely if the BBC > > creates a photograph of an object which i

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: [Wmfcc-l] Tangential press: "BBC to put nation's oil paintings online"

2009-01-30 Thread Andrew Gray
2009/1/30 AndrewRT : > My knowledge of copyright law is limited, but surely if the BBC > creates a photograph of an object which is in the public domain, they > still own the copyright to the photograph? Probably. In the US, this doesn't apply. In the UK... it probably does, but there isn't much

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: [Wmfcc-l] Tangential press: "BBC to put nation's oil paintings online"

2009-01-30 Thread AndrewRT
My knowledge of copyright law is limited, but surely if the BBC creates a photograph of an object which is in the public domain, they still own the copyright to the photograph? On Jan 29, 2:21 pm, Michael Peel wrote: > Undoubtably some of them will be public domain - those for which the   > autho

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: [Wmfcc-l] Tangential press: "BBC to put nation's oil paintings online"

2009-01-29 Thread Michael Peel
Undoubtably some of them will be public domain - those for which the author died over 70 years ago - but it tends to be troublesome to find out when the author did die. Others, especially any audio/video, will still be copyrighted by the author. Assuming the authors are still alive, we'd ne

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: [Wmfcc-l] Tangential press: "BBC to put nation's oil paintings online"

2009-01-29 Thread AndrewRT
Thanks for posting this Mike. I'm not clear if they're retaining copyright for the paintings - presumably if they are we couldn't just copy them into Commons? On Jan 29, 9:29 am, Michael Peel wrote: > This might be worth investigating. The BBC might put the content   > online in high-resolution