[Wikisource-l] Wikisource gains a public

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
I am really happy to have noticed that Wikisource books will be offered by
the Internet Archive in its Open Library project.

Obviously, it is well deserved that Wikisource gets a bigger public.

I have two questions:
* to what extent is the Wikimedia Foundation aware and has been involved
* are there other projects where by collaboration with other orgs we will
have a bigger impact?

Thanks,
  GerardM

https://blog.openlibrary.org/2021/12/20/introducing-trusted-book-providers/
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Re: [Wikisource-l] [Brand Project] Next naming phase

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
At the time there were enough people who did not want a Wikipedia
Foundation so it did not happen. People insisted for the Wikimedia
Foundation to concentrate on Wikipedia and English Wikipedia at that and
that is what happened. In a marketing driven organisation, there would be
people specifically tasked with understanding, developing, optimising the
other brands. It was the German chapter that developed and still develops
Wikidata. Key parts are left to the Wikimedia Foundation; they are
integration of Commons, hardware and performance search and marketing...

The assertion that all the other projects are there to support Wikipedia is
not easy to explain. What is abundantly clear is that the existing bias for
the support of English means that the market for English is largely
saturated. We are at a point where Wikidata is at a point where it
overtakes English Wikipedia in supporting the other projects.

* Commons is now searchable *in any language* thanks to Special:MediaSearch
[1]. It just takes further development and marketing to make Commons bigger
than many of the commercial alternatives because of this.
* Scholia needs internationalisation and localisation. Having said that, it
already points to later papers for what you find in the reference section
of many/most articles. It follows that what was a NPOV at a time is no
longer neutral. Increasingly Scholia templates find their way on English
Wikipedia articles.That is how it "serves" Wikipedia
* Scholia is increasingly used by scientists in their professional
capacity. The demand for Wikidata increases autonomously as a result.
* Given that Wikidata knows about Wikisource, it could know about the
status of Wikisource books et al. This provides a basis to market the
finished product to an audience that would exponentially grow.
* This is not exhaustive

The point is that Wikimedia Foundation needs to market to realise its goal;
share in the sum of all knowledge. That is what it is there for and has
written a 2030 strategy for. It should not be beholden to Wikipedia or
anyone.
Thanks,
   GerardM

[1]
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MediaSearch?type=bitmap=%D8%AC%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AC+%D9%81%D8%B1%D8%AF%D8%B1%DB%8C%DA%A9+%D8%AF%DB%8C%DA%A9



On Sun, 21 Jun 2020 at 00:14, Lars Aronsson  wrote:

> On 2020-06-19 09:58, Nicolas VIGNERON wrote:
> > All three options remove the term "Wikimedia" to replace it by
> > "Wikipedia" and indeed, there is no statu quo option...
>
>
> In my opinion, it was a mistake in 2003, when the foundation was
> established,
> to invent a new name for it. If it had been called "Wikipedia
> Foundation" from
> the start, it would have been so much easier to explain to friends,
> collaboration
> partners and donors what we are. We are a foundation to support Wikipedia
> (and also its sister projects). Wikisource, Wiktionary and the rest are
> just that:
> They are sister projects to Wikipedia, always were, always have been.
>
> Only Wikipedia is the groundbreaking innovation that could win the Nobel
> Prize
> (for peace, perhaps?). None of the sister projects could qualify for this.
> While Wikisource is great, we should be humble and grateful that we can
> benefit from all the money and technology around Wikipedia, including
> events like Wikimania.
>
> What you have to ask yourself: If it had been named "Wikipedia Foundation"
> from the start, would you have left it? Would you have left Wikisource, in
> order to administrate your own, separate, independent project? Asaf Bartov
> does this with Project Ben-Yehuda. I do this with Project Runeberg. These
> are not part of Wikisource, not part of the Wikipedia/-media movement.
> But we never broke away from Wikisource. The reason we maintain our
> own projects is because they are older than Wikisource. It is a lot of
> extra
> work to administrate your own project. If this kind of extra administration
> is your mission in life, perhaps you should leave Wikisource and run your
> own? See how fun that is.
>
> In my case, I could close down Project Runeberg and merge with Wikisource,
> if it weren't for some differences in licensing. Much of what I have
> digitized
> there can not fit in Wikisource. And so I continue to carry the extra
> burden
> of administrating my own project. But it's not because I hate the Wikipedia
> movement or Wikisource. On the contrary, I was active in establishing
> the Swedish chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation in 2007. And I have spent
> too much time explaining the difference between Wikipedia and Wikimedia.
>
> I wish it had been named "Wikipedia Foundation" from the start. When the
> burden of dual names was obvious in 2015, I wish the foundation had just
> renamed itself quickly without asking anyone. It would have been
> criticized,
> but now it is criticized anyway after very long and slow process, so no
> gain.
>
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Fwd: Case Study about Bengali Wikisource 10th Anniversary Proofreading Contest

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
Most Wikimedians are not award how important Wikisource is for the
languages from India. Satdeep do you have some documentation, some
statistics to share with us?
Thanks,
  GerardM

On Fri, 19 Apr 2019 at 07:59, Satdeep Gill  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I am re-sending this email as the previous one sent on April 8 didn't go
> through.
>
> So, as an effort to document projects related to Wikisource, we have
> started by writing the first case study about *Bengali Wikisource 10th
> Anniversary Proofreading Contest
> *
>  held
> in 2017 with the help of contest organizers Bodhisattwa
>  and Jayantanth
> .
>
> If you know about, or have organized interesting Wikisource related
> projects that you would like to be documented in form of a case study, feel
> free to reach out to me at sgill[image: ﹫]wikimedia.org.
>
> Best
> Satdeep
>
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>
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Everything will be Wikipedia

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
The big problem with Wikipedia and particularly Wikipedians is that they
drown any argument that does not fit them. I find it really telling that
some things are researched as they confirm what we already know and at the
same time when for political reasons decisions are made that lead to the
end of important projects like Wikipedia Zero there is no research in the
consequences to the use of Wikipedia in the face of the absense of it.

The same is true for the support Google gives to Wikisource for the
digitisation of books in the Indian languages. In the political world the
argument is that it is self serving of Google and the benefits are not
seen/considered. There are many more examples, suffice to say that
Wikipeidia and particularly English Wikipedia is overrated.
Thanks,
  GerardM

On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 at 09:05, Federico Leva (Nemo) 
wrote:

> Bodhisattwa Mandal, 08/02/19 05:19:
> > I think, the recent blog in the Foundation site is the first step to do
> > such things.
>
> Yeah, in general the WMF is always ready to give up all the good things
> in favour of the easy ones. The recent blog post is especially
> facepalm-worthy in that it tries to sell as useful some "findings" that
> don't add anything to the conversation we already had some ten years ago.
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_brand_survey
>
> Federico
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Re: [Wikisource-l] WikidataCon 2017

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
A Wikipedia matra is be bold and another is that things are a work in
progress. In my opinion, what we need is the name of a book, its author and
the fact that people can read it. All the other stuff like what "version"
is a particular book pales in comparison. We should not let the quest for
perfection be the enemy of the good.

Also Archive.org and Open Library are two different entities. Both the Open
Library and the Internet Archive have their own identifiers for authors and
they are not necessarily linked. We are talking about books from the Open
Library and they are available as an E-book or a PDF.

My problem is not with Open Library, my problem is that we do not know what
is available from Wikisource as a finished good ready for reading. In the
end what we advertise is the author the book, versions are secondary.
Thanks,
GerardM

On 23 October 2017 at 12:36, billinghurst 
wrote:

> Hi Nicolas,
>
> Still my biggest issues/hurdles for good data are
>
>- capture of information from WS to WD — it just is hard work, WEF
>tool is still not sufficiently aligned
>- the ever problematic inability to link WP book to WS edition through
>Wikidata
>- that cannot capture information for Wikidata at archive.org, and
>relate that through to the file at Commons, and then the edition at
>Wikisource (or pick another starting point and interrelate0
>- the inability to create an edition from a book/work, the inability
>to create a work from an edition
>
> Maybe you can even ask what we need to improve to get bots to run through
> and autocapture, is our meta-data in headers not suitable? What is it that
> is problematic?
>
> Thanks for asking.
>
> -- billinghurst (being so remote for the action )
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Nicolas VIGNERON" 
> To: "discussion list for Wikisource, the free library" <
> wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
> Sent: 23/10/2017 7:30:44 PM
> Subject: [Wikisource-l] WikidataCon 2017
>
> Hi all,
>
> For information, the WikidataCon is this week-end in Berlin. While there
> is no talk nominatively around Wikisource, there is some intervention on
> relation subjects (inventaire.io, WikiCite, German National Library,
> FRBR, and so on).
>
> The event is sold out, but you can follow remotely some of the
> presentation (link will be added here : https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/
> Wikidata:WikidataCon_2017/Program/Remote ).
>
> I'll be there and I'll be happy to talk about Wikisource, who else will be
> there?
>
> Cdlt, ~nicolas
>
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Re: [Wikisource-l] WikidataCon 2017

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
I am actively pushing the inclusion of books that are available from the
Open Library. They will be by authors who are already known to Wikidata and
the books will have either an ISBN or an identifier from for instance the
Library of Congress.

The point to this is that we do not know if readable books are available
from Wikisource. Consequently Wikisource becomes of less relevance to the
Open Library because they DO make it known and knowable what books are
available for readers.
Thanks,
   GerardM

On 23 October 2017 at 10:30, Nicolas VIGNERON 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> For information, the WikidataCon is this week-end in Berlin. While there
> is no talk nominatively around Wikisource, there is some intervention on
> relation subjects (inventaire.io, WikiCite, German National Library,
> FRBR, and so on).
>
> The event is sold out, but you can follow remotely some of the
> presentation (link will be added here : https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/
> Wikidata:WikidataCon_2017/Program/Remote ).
>
> I'll be there and I'll be happy to talk about Wikisource, who else will be
> there?
>
> Cdlt, ~nicolas
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Proposal

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
In my opinion this is a service not only for editors but for the complete
Wikimedia reader public. So the notion of putting it in that platform is
great but we need to advertise the finished books of  Wikisource to the
whole world.
Thanks,
   GerardM

On 12 October 2017 at 14:37, Sam Walton <swal...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I work on the Wikipedia Library program, and wanted to jump in with a
> passing thought I'd had about Wikisource and TWL. We'll be building search
> and discovery tools into the library card platform (
> https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/) that's currently under ongoing
> development. They'll index all the usually-paywalled resources we have
> access to, but also open access content. As part of that process it's a
> desire of mine to index completed Wikisource works, though I haven't given
> it much thought beyond 'that would be nice'. This might be able to function
> as a kind of centralised search for all completed Wikisource works, if
> implemented.
>
> If you're interested, the relevant Phab task is
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T169875, where your thoughts are very
> welcome. It won't be worked on for a while and I can't guarantee that it
> will definitely happen, but if it's something the Wikisource community
> would benefit from, then that would absolutely increase the likelihood
> we'll work on it.
>
> Best,
> Sam
>
> On 12 October 2017 at 13:07, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemow...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Gerard Meijssen, 12/10/2017 15:04:
>>
>>> Given the discussion about finished books on the Korean Wikisource, I
>>> this demonstrates that we really need to advertise the finished books to a
>>> reading public.
>>>
>>
>> In Italy, after many years of talk with local libraries, the Wikisource
>> books are included in the catalogs of many libraries (also via a local
>> ebook provider, MLOL, who hired some wikimedians to work on the "open
>> collection", big kudos to them).
>>
>> Nemo
>>
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[Wikisource-l] Proposal

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
Given the discussion about finished books on the Korean Wikisource, I this
demonstrates that we really need to advertise the finished books to a
reading public.

After all what is it that we do it for but for finding a public for the
transcribed books?
Thanks,
 GerardM

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Validated works on kowikisource?

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
Yes we need to have a better mechanism. However, there is nothing stopping
us to publish all the books that are finished and ready to be read. That is
the proof of the Wikisource pudding..

So is there a Wikidata query showing all the books that are finished and
ready to read. With this we can advertise, having all books makes it
complete. Knowing all books that are finished is secondary.
Thanks,
  GerardM

On 12 October 2017 at 09:23, Nicolas VIGNERON 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> The validation-status data can and sometimes is stored in Wikidata. See
> how it is stored here : https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Badges and
> here an example of Wikidata query for all items about validated text :
> http://tinyurl.com/yaud3uoy
>
> Thad said, most of the times Wikidata is not up-to-date, and there should
> be a tool to take care of that instead of human being.
>
> Cdlt, ~nicolas
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Validated works on kowikisource?

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
When this data is in Wikidata, we can build a query that shows all the
ready books in every language. We can then package it and measure how often
books are read. This is the purpose of Wikisource isn't it?
Thanks,
 GerardM

On 12 October 2017 at 07:37, Yongmin H.  wrote:

> Assuming it’s index: namespace, we didn’t have such feature until I
> translated Index: (and the companion NS) in 2014 or 15, and even after then
> nobody seemed to care about the index: ns stuff.
>
> I’m not a kowikisource regular editor, as a disclaimer.
>
> --
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> 2017. 10. 12. 13:14, Sam Wilson  작성:
>
> No validated works found for ko
>
>
> The ws-cat-browser is saying it can't find any validated and categorized
> mainspace works on kowikisource.
>
> Is this correct? Is there any meant to be anything in the
> validated-index category?
> https://ko.wikisource.org/wiki/%EB%B6%84%EB%A5%98:%EA%
> B2%80%EC%A6%9D%EB%90%9C_%EC%83%89%EC%9D%B8
>
> Thanks,
> Sam.
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Validated works on kowikisource?

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
What does it take to get the validation-status in Wikidata. If anything it
is the most important attribute. Knowing what people can read trumps
everything.
Thanks,
 GerardM

On 12 October 2017 at 07:22, Sam Wilson <s...@samwilson.id.au> wrote:

> Nope. The validation-status data is unlikely to ever be in Wikidata. The
> tool below gets this information from category-membership of Index pages.
>
>
> On Thu, 12 Oct 2017, at 01:18 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>
> Hoi,
> Is there a query in Wikidata for all the validated and complete books in
> Wikisource?
> Thanks,
>   GerardM
>
> On 12 October 2017 at 06:14, Sam Wilson <s...@samwilson.id.au> wrote:
>
> > No validated works found for ko
>
> The ws-cat-browser is saying it can't find any validated and categorized
> mainspace works on kowikisource.
>
> Is this correct? Is there any meant to be anything in the
> validated-index category?
> https://ko.wikisource.org/wiki/%EB%B6%84%EB%A5%98:%EA%B2%80%
> EC%A6%9D%EB%90%9C_%EC%83%89%EC%9D%B8
>
> Thanks,
> Sam.
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Validated works on kowikisource?

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
Is there a query in Wikidata for all the validated and complete books in
Wikisource?
Thanks,
  GerardM

On 12 October 2017 at 06:14, Sam Wilson  wrote:

> > No validated works found for ko
>
> The ws-cat-browser is saying it can't find any validated and categorized
> mainspace works on kowikisource.
>
> Is this correct? Is there any meant to be anything in the
> validated-index category?
> https://ko.wikisource.org/wiki/%EB%B6%84%EB%A5%98:%EA%
> B2%80%EC%A6%9D%EB%90%9C_%EC%83%89%EC%9D%B8
>
> Thanks,
> Sam.
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Re: [Wikisource-l] [Offline-l] FYI - WMF pausing and deprecating some functionality

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
Thanks good to know.
GerardM

On 11 October 2017 at 11:56, Sam Wilson  wrote:

> Yes, I think Nicolas is right. OCG has never really done what Wikisource
> needed, and WsExport has (wonderfully). It would of course be brilliant if
> the new PDF & epub generation could support Wikisource, but it not doing so
> is no different from the existing situation.
>
> On Wed, 11 Oct 2017, at 05:01 PM, Nicolas VIGNERON wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
> Maybe I'm misunderstood the situation but I'm not sure to understand the
> problem: does anyone use OCG?
> I thought that not one use it anymore (if it was ever used... at least onf
> the French wikisource it never really worked well as it didn't understand
> the 'pages' tag we use on almost all pages) and we have our own
> PDF/ePub/mobi generator (https://tools.wmflabs.org/wsexport/tool/book.php).
> SO don't we all use WSexport?
>
> I see very few pages on https://en.wikisource.org/w/
> index.php?title=Special:PrefixIndex=Wikisource:Books/ , most of
> them generated a long time ago, so I don't think that this will have any
> impact on Wikisource.
>
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Re: [Wikisource-l] [Offline-l] FYI - WMF pausing and deprecating some functionality

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
Anne just a question, if this was key functionality for the English
Wikipedia, would you remove this functionality with a promise of "trust us
we are working towards something new" ?? I think not.
Thanks,
  GerardM

On 11 October 2017 at 08:40, Federico Leva (Nemo) 
wrote:

> Anne Gomez, 11/10/2017 02:12:
>
>> In case you're interested, the Foundation will be working to replace OCG
>> over the coming months. I wanted to make sure you're aware in case you rely
>> on any of this infrastructure and/or have plans for further development
>> dependent on it.
>>
>> What this means in the short term is that PDF book rendering (through
>> Book Creator) will be shut off for a few months at least while a suitable
>> replacement is researched, tested, and built.
>>
>> Here's the full write up: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki
>> /Reading/Web/PDF_Functionality
>>
>> Let me know if you have any questions or if this has major impact to your
>> work.
>>
> It does, of course. Wikisource and Wikibooks users sorely need to print
> books for offline reading, it's something we keep hearing from anybody in
> "real life".
>
> Removing basic functionality and downgrading existing features for no gain
> is an excellent long-run method to kill projects like Wikibooks, Wikisource
> and Wikiversity whose potential users (such as teachers and other OER
> folks) may prefer alternative platforms which show more care.
>
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Re: [Wikisource-l] QR Codes for Wikisource texts

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
In Reasonator every item incuding content from Wikibooks have their QR-code.
Thanks,
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https://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/?=237572

On 7 July 2017 at 07:22, Bodhisattwa Mandal 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> There has been significant decline in library readerships in India.
> Libraries are remaining almost empty throughout the day. I believe, that is
> because, with the increasing usage of internet, there has been a change in
> behaviour about reading physical books. People are preferring to remain
> online and get information from the internet, rather than to stay in a
> library and study there. The libraries are not also coping with this
> scenario and not upgrading themselves, and losing readers.
>
> Also, the smart phone penetration in India is also increasing. It has been
> estimated almost one third of Indian citizens will use smart phone by 2019
> and that's a huge number. Nowadays, many people who do not have computers,
> have smartphones with cheaper internet than before. But many of them
> doesn't know how to search a book in internet, even if does find some book,
> tends to forget the urls, and unfortunately almost nobody knows anything
> about Wikisource, even from the academy.
>
> Now, if we have a QR code generation system for Wikisource, we can
> collaborate with the town libraries or college libraries, send them the
> codes and help them build a QR code library of books. They can give the
> codes to readers according to their demands, which will redirect them to
> Wikisource. We can also generate QR codes for every book we work on and
> upload them to Commons with a suitable title, creating a QR code library
> ourselves, thus making the codes google searchable and accessible to the
> readers. In every case, the viewership of the site will increase.
>
> Regards,
>
> On Jul 7, 2017 7:52 AM, "Asaf Bartov"  wrote:
>
>> Certainly, this can be done.
>>
>> Could you elaborate a little more about the use scenarios you are
>> imagining?
>>
>> A.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 5:32 AM Bodhisattwa Mandal <
>> bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Can we create a Wikisource specific QR code generator tool for the NS0
>>> pages?
>>>
>>> People often forget the urls or sometimes doesn't know the way to search
>>> texts in Wikisource. If we can generate qr codes, that would also benefit
>>> libraries from remote places or readers who don't have computers in their
>>> possession .
>>>
>>> I think it will definitely increase the viewership of the site to a
>>> significant amount.  What's your opinion regarding this?
>>>
>>> Regards,
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Re: [Wikisource-l] A draft nsPage viewer

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
Has it been considered to Internationalise and Localise the code at
translatewiki.net ?
Thanks,
 GerardM

On 14 June 2017 at 10:03, Alex Brollo  wrote:

> The code is into https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-vis.js
> (running) and into https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-
> visTest.js (development version), with some dependencies to other
> it.wikisource gadgets.
>
> I'm far from  a good programmer, so I guess that you've to "catch the
> idea" then  deeply reviewing it. Bengali importation will need  special
> care for non-arabic page numbers. Consider the gadget simply a running
> proof that "it can be done". :-(
>
> Alex
>
>
>
> 2017-06-14 9:26 GMT+02:00 Nicolas VIGNERON :
>
>> Great !
>>
>> Same question as Bodhi, where can I translate it in French and Breton? ;)
>>
>> Cdlt ~nicolas
>>
>>
>> 2017-06-14 8:25 GMT+02:00 Bodhisattwa Mandal > >:
>>
>>> Wow! This is awesome!!
>>>
>>> Can you please help it localise for Bengali Wikisource?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> On 14 June 2017 at 11:32, Alex Brollo  wrote:
>>>
 Try this link:

 https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Indice:Collodi_-_Le_avventure
 _di_Pinocchio,_Bemporad,_1892.djvu?vis=true

 I hope, it will be inspiring for something better.

 Alex brollo,  itwikisource

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikimedia Strategy

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
Classification as we have it is a wonder. It is there and it cannot be
explained. It does serve a purpose though.
Thanks,
 GerardM

On 11 April 2017 at 12:44, Jane Darnell  wrote:

> Interesting query, thanks! How odd that "sitcom" is a subclass of
> "literary work"! I never thought of it that way :)
>
> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Magnus Manske <
> magnusman...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> The 500 most important (as in, number of Wiki sitelinks) literary works
>> that are (at least partially) in "original language" German, according to
>> Wikidata:
>> http://tinyurl.com/mzhd8na
>> "The Big Bang Theory" item might need some review, but the rest look
>> good...
>> Just change the Q188 and the language code for your favourite language!
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 10:58 AM Andrea Zanni 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In it.source we made a similar Canon:
>>> https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Canone_delle_opere
>>> _della_letteratura_italiana
>>>
>>> Ideally, we should have an item (a "work" item, so basically the one
>>> with a Wikipedia article) on Wikidata for each one.
>>> Than we can count how many Wikipedias have an article on it. Basically
>>> it's Tpt's idea using wikidata and sitelinks.
>>>
>>> Aubrey
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:50 AM, Jane Darnell 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> You can always start with the lists per country (if they exist). So for
>>> example I made an article about the first 500 of such a "1000 most
>>> important works of literature" list compiled for the Netherlands here:
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_of_Dutch_Literature
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Thomas PT  wrote:
>>>
>>> A maybe simpler metric: the top 1000 Wikipedia articles about works per
>>> page view.
>>>
>>> Thomas
>>>
>>> > Le 11 avr. 2017 à 09:42, mathieu stumpf guntz <
>>> psychosl...@culture-libre.org> a écrit :
>>> >
>>> > Hi Nemo,
>>> >
>>> > We may establish a list a the "1000 works that every Wikisource should
>>> have" (with translation possibly needed).
>>> >
>>> > What metric could we use to define such a list? Maybe reference
>>> frequency, but it requires statistics whose availability is unknown to me.
>>> >
>>> > Statistically,
>>> > psychoslave
>>> >
>>> > Le 29/03/2017 à 08:30, Federico Leva (Nemo) a écrit :
>>> >> One issue sometimes raised about Wikisource is how we know that we're
>>> working on the "right" books. Internet Archive is planning to textbooks
>>> starting from those which are most frequently assigned in USA schools:
>>> >> http://blog.archive.org/2017/03/29/books-donated-for-macarth
>>> ur-foundation-100change-challenge-from-bookmooch-users/
>>> >>
>>> >> I was surprised to learn a project like OpenSyllabus exists and
>>> works, I emailed them to ask what it would take to do the same for other
>>> languages/geographies.
>>> >>
>>> >> Nemo
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Indic Wikisource Update January 2017

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
What does that mean for a reader? How many publications are ready to read?
Thanks,
GerardM

On 10 January 2017 at 19:27, Jayanta Nath  wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Happy New Year 2017. We've just published the January 2017 Indic
> Wikisource statistics.
>
> Here is the few stats ans their top three rank...
>
> As per Number of article
> 1. Sanskrit Wikisource ( 16027 pages) -  supported by 0.04% scan pages.
> (with 170 Index Pages)
> 2. Telugu Wikisource ( 11752 pages) - supported by 24.56% scan pages.
> (with 267 Index Pages)
> 3. Kannada Wikisource ( 9027 pages) - supported by 0.86% scan pages.
> (with 116 Index Pages)
>
>
> As per Number of page Validation
>
> 1. Telugu Wikisource ( 19160 pages)  with 267 Index Pages
> 2. Tamil Wikisource (5180 pages) with 2168 Index Pages
> 3. Gujarati Wikisource ( 4298 pages) with 43 Index Pages
>
>
> As per Number of page Proofread
>
> 1. Telugu Wikisource ( 23583 pages)
> 2. Malayalam Wikisource ( 8067 pages)
> 3. Tamil Wikisource ( 7965 pages)
>
> As per percentage supported by scan pages.
> 1. Bengali Wikisource  (29.77%)
> 2. Telugu Wikisource ( 24.56%)
> 3. Gujarati Wikisource (18.06%)
>
> I want to specially mention that there are no visible improvement on
> proofreading works and page content supported by scan at Marathi,Assamese,
> Sanskrit, Odia, and Kannada Wikisource.
>
>
> Full Indic Wikisource stats here
> https://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Indic_Wikisource_Stats
>
> Regards,
> Jayanta Nath
> Indic Wikisource Community
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[Wikisource-l] Fwd: Wikisource and sharing its content

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
I had the email address wrong. This is why I forward it as well.
Thanks,
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-- Forwarded message --
From: Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
Date: 16 December 2016 at 07:58
Subject: Wikisource and sharing its content
To: Katherine Maher <kma...@wikimedia.org>
Cc: wikisou...@lists.wikimedia.org


Hoi Katherine,

I have had a read of your long mail on strategy. I want to mention a few
things in reply and give you another perspective. I am a really long time
contributor and for me there is one over arching idea that captures
everything that we do. Everything we do fits "sharing the sum of all
knowledge". Everything we should fit and when it does not, the question is
does it fit us.

The biggest problem I see is that we are not true to this motto because as
a movement we discriminate against our "other" projects, we put too much
emphasis on Wikipedia and on English Wikipedia at that. English does not
represent 50% of our traffic.

We raise funds only on Wikipedia and it makes beggars of all the other
projects. It is an arguments that is used by English Wikipedians; "you
should be grateful for all the attention you get and, MediaWiki fits what
you need anyway". In this way the needs for the other projects are ignored
and waved away.

When you then think about what our aim is, "share in the sum of all
knowledge" we effectively are no longer thinking how to achieve that.
Wikisource is a project to create digital publications from paper
publication. The problem is that this is not what sharing/publishing is
about. Sharing has an emphasis on readers and seeking more readers for
content. This is why all these books are transcribed.

My solution would be to separate out the editing of Wikisource and the
reading of Wikisource finished material. We need a platform where only the
finished goods are presented to a public and helps them find freely
licensed books. The data for all the books is largely available at
Wikidata, the books are at Wikisource so it is just a matter of
presentation.

In this way we provide a platform where people actually find books. We will
generate more readers and thereby more interest for Wikisource. To top it
off it may grow into a platform for both fundraising and advocacy for more
transcriptions.

We can use template for authors, we can use templates for books and
publishing companies. Software will be localised at translatewiki.net and
it may be used for existing platforms for finished Wikisource goods (they
exist in Tamil and Malayalam and probably more).

Why do this? Because it will grow Wikisource and it will have us do a
better job at "sharing the sum of the knowledge that is available to us".

Does it cost money sure, but it will enable us to fundraise for Wikisource.
I talked to Seddon; he said it is not cost effective to raise funds on the
"other" projects and the "other" languages. It is an honest discrimination
but the resulting lack of care is not benign. I have asked a friend of mine
if he could do a good job and he can. It would use Wikidata for its data
and the Wikimedia user database.

It is well within the budget of the WMF, I am convinced that it will grow
the reading of freely licensed books exponentially.
Thanks,
 GerardM
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