Re: [Wikitech-l] Distinguishing disambiguation pages

2012-12-27 Thread Liangent
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 10:41 PM, Brad Jorsch bjor...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 6:00 AM, Liangent liang...@gmail.com wrote: Is this enough? api.php?action=queryprop=pagepropsppprop=disambiguationtitles= One thing that would be nice would be the ability to go the other way.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Distinguishing disambiguation pages

2012-12-27 Thread Bináris
2012/12/25 Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org If you know any bot writers that are dealing with disambiguation pages, I would love to know more about what their needs are specifically. Perhaps an API could be added to the extension if it would be useful. Forwarded to Pywikipedia-l. --

[Wikitech-l] monitoring / control system for bots

2012-12-27 Thread Petr Bena
Hi, Someone once suggested we create a control panel for bots. I think the first step would be to create a page where we could see overview of all bots we are running on projects. If we create some protocol for querying bot status we could create some central monitoring server which would either:

Re: [Wikitech-l] monitoring / control system for bots

2012-12-27 Thread Bináris
Hi Peter, what is the final purpose of this suggestion? What kind of problem do we have that needs to be solved this way? I think the first step to do anything with bots should be to store the bot activity in tables other than recent changes so as to be able to mark them in page histories. This

Re: [Wikitech-l] monitoring / control system for bots

2012-12-27 Thread Petr Bena
It would be first step to solve this: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34606 + it would make it easier for bot operators to keep track of status of their services as well for community to find out why certain service is no longer available. For example if archiving bot crashes, the

Re: [Wikitech-l] monitoring / control system for bots

2012-12-27 Thread Petr Bena
In addition, we would have a reliable list of bots running on each wiki, far better than what we have for example on english wiki now. In case some bot would be down for a longer time, people would easily find that out and some developer could overtake its task. On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 11:42 AM,

Re: [Wikitech-l] monitoring / control system for bots

2012-12-27 Thread Bináris
I see. Sorry for having misspelled your name. 2012/12/27 Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com In addition, we would have a reliable list of bots running on each wiki, far better than what we have for example on english wiki now. This needs to make compulsory in each wiki's bot policy to use this

Re: [Wikitech-l] monitoring / control system for bots

2012-12-27 Thread Petr Bena
For beginning it's definitely not needed to be compulsory. Whether the communities will want to have this function reliable in future if it became a standard or not is up to them. I don't really like idea of enforcing anyone to anything, but it should be recommended at least to each bot developer

Re: [Wikitech-l] monitoring / control system for bots

2012-12-27 Thread Petr Bena
It would be kind of same as nagios, just for bots, not servers On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: For beginning it's definitely not needed to be compulsory. Whether the communities will want to have this function reliable in future if it became a standard

Re: [Wikitech-l] Distinguishing disambiguation pages

2012-12-27 Thread Brad Jorsch
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 4:53 AM, Liangent liang...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 10:41 PM, Brad Jorsch bjor...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 6:00 AM, Liangent liang...@gmail.com wrote: Is this enough? api.php?action=queryprop=pagepropsppprop=disambiguationtitles=

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal: MediaWiki Group Bug Squad

2012-12-27 Thread Sébastien Santoro
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 7:02 AM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: You can count me in as interested. I can't add my name on my own, though, since I'm IP blocked from editing on WMF wikis. Please request an IP exemption. Hi, following the process for requesting the creation of a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal: MediaWiki Group Bug Squad

2012-12-27 Thread Quim Gil
On 12/27/2012 07:38 AM, Sébastien Santoro wrote: To create a bug squad is a nice idea, and, as a volunteer active on Bugzilla, of course, I'm interested. To create a MediaWiki Group Bug Squad is something else. I fail to see why, and I really appreciate the fact that you are going to the

Re: [Wikitech-l] monitoring / control system for bots

2012-12-27 Thread Tim Landscheidt
Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: It would be kind of same as nagios, just for bots, not servers [...] Could this then be realized just as Nagios plugins so that we do not build a separate infrastructure for it? Tim ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

[Wikitech-l] Gerrit code review guidelines

2012-12-27 Thread Juliusz Gonera
Hi, I'm a bit confused when it comes to various options I have in gerrit and it seems the docs are not up to date on that. * What is the difference between Verified and Code Review? When would I put +1 in one of them but -1 in the other? * What is the difference between +1 and +2,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit code review guidelines

2012-12-27 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 12/27/2012 01:18 PM, Juliusz Gonera wrote: * What is the difference between Verified and Code Review? When would I put +1 in one of them but -1 in the other? I'm relatively new, but this is my understanding. Verified means you actually tested it. Code Review means it looks good * What is

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal: MediaWiki Group Bug Squad

2012-12-27 Thread Tim Landscheidt
Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: [...] This is a dangerous precedents to a bureaucratization of our fundamental processes. A group should be about a vision. My vision of this proposal is I clearly see this proposal as the first step in a path who will lead to a road, where we will ask new

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit code review guidelines

2012-12-27 Thread Alex Monk
To add to this: Jenkins adds Verified+1 if the lint tests pass, or Verified-1 if they fail. If the unit tests pass (If you're not on the whitelist, this will be once someone gives it CodeReview+2) it will give the change Verified+2 or Verified-2 if they fail. Only some people (project owners,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal: MediaWiki Group Bug Squad

2012-12-27 Thread Quim Gil
On 12/27/2012 10:34 AM, Tim Landscheidt wrote: I think the problem with some groups is that if you are not in the group, you're not in the group. Do you need to join the Bug Squad to squash bugs? Of course not. You don't need to join the Browser Testing team to define test cases, the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal: MediaWiki Group Bug Squad

2012-12-27 Thread Sébastien Santoro
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 12/27/2012 07:38 AM, Sébastien Santoro wrote: I don't see the bureaucratic burden you mention. The tough part of creating a Bug Squad team is to recruit the people and keep them active as a team. Formalize that as a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal: MediaWiki Group Bug Squad

2012-12-27 Thread Sébastien Santoro
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Sébastien Santoro dereck...@espace-win.org wrote: On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 12/27/2012 07:38 AM, Sébastien Santoro wrote: I don't see the bureaucratic burden you mention. The tough part of creating a Bug Squad team

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal: MediaWiki Group Bug Squad

2012-12-27 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 12/27/2012 05:04 PM, Sébastien Santoro wrote: So we're speaking about potential need to incorporation and potential trademark agreements. But this isn't a bureaucratic road. Okay... It specifically says may be incorporated not must be incorporated. MediaWiki groups may allow that kind of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal: MediaWiki Group Bug Squad

2012-12-27 Thread Quim Gil
On 12/27/2012 02:31 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote: On 12/27/2012 05:04 PM, Sébastien Santoro wrote: So we're speaking about potential need to incorporation and potential trademark agreements. But this isn't a bureaucratic road. Okay... It specifically says may be incorporated not must be

Re: [Wikitech-l] Looking for Bugs In All the RIGHT Places

2012-12-27 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
On 11/14/2012 07:06 PM, Jim Laurino wrote: Hello, I attended a talk [1] by Elaine Weyuker [2] on Wed, 7 Nov 2012. The talk, “Looking for Bugs In All the RIGHT Places”, discussed her work on predicting where bugs would be found in the next release of a program product. She and her

[Wikitech-l] Can we help Tor users make legitimate edits?

2012-12-27 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
TL;DR: A few ideas follow on how we could possibly help legit editors contribute from behind Tor proxies. I am just conversant enough with the security problems to make unworkable suggestions ;-), so please correct me, critique suggest solutions, and perhaps volunteer to help. The current

[Wikitech-l] Fwd: Re: [Wikimedia-l] No access to the Uzbek Wikipedia in Uzbekistan

2012-12-27 Thread Marco Fleckinger
Do we have one extra machine left. Then we could set up this as NAT-Router. This will replace another machine if we do not have one extra IP left. The original ports need to be forwarded to that then. Cheers Marco Original-Nachricht Von: Leslie Carr lc...@wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] Unit tests scream for attention

2012-12-27 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
On 12/07/2012 01:13 PM, Niklas Laxström wrote: Now that tests need +2 to be run, at least temporarily, I'm going to point out that I've not been able to run tests on my development environment in ages. I mentioned broken unit tests in Oct 4 on this list.

[Wikitech-l] Generating documentation from JavaScript doc comments

2012-12-27 Thread Matthew Flaschen
We have all these JavaScript documentation comments, but we're not actually generating docs. This has been talked about before, e.g. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/208357?do=post_view_threaded, https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40143,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Can we help Tor users make legitimate edits?

2012-12-27 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
I rather think that devs' time would be best spent ensuring that our tools against Tor users and open proxies are effective and reliable. Huge amounts of volunteers' time are spent combating abuse of them, with inadequate tools. See for instance:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Can we help Tor users make legitimate edits?

2012-12-27 Thread John Vandenberg
Add to that list the underlying XFF blocking bug. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23343 Back on topic, is it necessary for good users seeking IP block exemption to be checkusered? I doubt it. IP block exemption is rarely given because it allows someone to keep editing on their

Re: [Wikitech-l] Can we help Tor users make legitimate edits?

2012-12-27 Thread John Vandenberg
On Dec 28, 2012 12:47 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Add to that list the underlying XFF blocking bug. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23343 Back on topic, is it necessary for good users seeking IP block exemption to be checkusered? I doubt it. IP block