[Wikitech-l] automatic extraction of wikipedia entries

2013-05-09 Thread Pierre Jourlin
Hello, I'm a computer science researcher in the university of Avignon, in France. I recently developed a software that automatically and quickly extract from an UTF-8 text all the (longest) terms that belongs to a large set of terms. The term extractor works as a server and I tested it

Re: [Wikitech-l] automatic extraction of wikipedia entries

2013-05-09 Thread Pierre Jourlin
You are invited to test my demonstration at : http://dev.termwatch.es/~jourlin/demo.php Sorry for this omission : id: master pw: sitnosh ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

[Wikitech-l] Feasibility question: Posting mailing list notifications to a wiki page

2013-05-09 Thread Guillaume Paumier
Hi, There's currently a proposal on the English Wikipedia about creating a Developer's noticeboard so that people can stay informed about technical announcements outside of the noisy Village Pump/Technical:

[Wikitech-l] Fwd: Wikidata Features

2013-05-09 Thread Puneet Kaur
Hi Sumana, Thanks for replying to my query. I am pleased to let you know that I have some experience of PHP, Javascript , CSS and MySQL. Currently I'm exploring MediaWiki and working on a few bugs. On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On

Re: [Wikitech-l] APIStrat conference, San Francisco, October 23, 24, 25

2013-05-09 Thread Vanessa Ramos
Will the event be recorded and broadcasted? This may be an interesting document to add on meta where efforts are done to make developers involvement more attractive. It will be recorded and broadcasted and we will be able to share the materials. We don't know just yet if it will also be

Re: [Wikitech-l] APIStrat conference, San Francisco, October 23, 24, 25

2013-05-09 Thread Vanessa Ramos
I actually had an API talk planned for WM 2012 that I never got a chance to present, I could dust it off and see how well it fits in their scope. Do you know when their CFP opens? Hi Marc, that would be awesome. You can send your proposal (title and abstract) to me directly

Re: [Wikitech-l] APIStrat conference, San Francisco, October 23, 24, 25

2013-05-09 Thread Vanessa Ramos
I actually had an API talk planned for WM 2012 that I never got a chance to present, I could dust it off and see how well it fits in their scope. Do you know when their CFP opens? Hi Marc, you can send your proposal (title and abstract) to me directly vane...@3scale.net Looking forward to

[Wikitech-l] Switching database from mysql to Oracle

2013-05-09 Thread Beebe, Mary J
We have to switch our database from mysql to Oracle or msSql. We notice that there is a DatabaseOracle.php in the db folder. Is Oracle or MsSQL supported well with mediaWiki? Below is our current versions: MediaWikihttp://www.mediawiki.org/ 1.15.3 PHPhttp://www.php.net/ 5.2.8 (cgi-fcgi)

Re: [Wikitech-l] Switching database from mysql to Oracle

2013-05-09 Thread Freako F. Freakolowsky
Well supported? ... i do try my best :D I'm running a few farms on 1.17 and some standalones on 1.19 (i think?!), but i'm in the process of switching all of them to 1.21 once it's officially out and i manage to port some of our in-house extensions. Oracle versions on all of them have just been

Re: [Wikitech-l] Switching database from mysql to Oracle

2013-05-09 Thread Beebe, Mary J
Thanks for your very quick response. What about MSSQL? Thanks, Mary Beebe Battelle - Charlottesville, VA Office: 434- 951-2149 -Original Message- From: wikitech-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikitech-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Freako F. Freakolowsky Sent:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Feasibility question: Posting mailing list notifications to a wiki page

2013-05-09 Thread Greg Grossmeier
quote name=Guillaume Paumier date=2013-05-09 time=15:19:51 +0200 What I currently have in mind is a bot subscribed to the wikitech-ambassadors list, that would post every first message of a thread to the talk page of people who have signed up (like

Re: [Wikitech-l] automatic extraction of wikipedia entries

2013-05-09 Thread Lars Aronsson
Hi Pierre, You are invited to test my demonstration at : http://dev.termwatch.es/~jourlin/demo.php I get this message: A username and password are being requested by http://dev.termwatch.es. The site says: Par invitation seuleument / By invitation only / Solo con autentificacion --

Re: [Wikitech-l] Feasibility question: Posting mailing list notifications to a wiki page

2013-05-09 Thread Guillaume Paumier
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Greg Grossmeier g...@wikimedia.org wrote: I think the only way to address that is to have those on -ambassadors translate/localize (in more than just which language is being used) and post it on their local project's VPT (or equivalent). I completely agree, and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Switching database from mysql to Oracle

2013-05-09 Thread Chad
MSSQL support is completely unmaintained. -Chad On May 9, 2013 12:09 PM, Beebe, Mary J bee...@battelle.org wrote: Thanks for your very quick response. What about MSSQL? Thanks, Mary Beebe Battelle - Charlottesville, VA Office: 434- 951-2149 -Original Message- From:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Feasibility question: Posting mailing list notifications to a wiki page

2013-05-09 Thread Guillaume Paumier
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Guillaume Paumier gpaum...@wikimedia.org wrote: Perhaps using email subjects starting with Please relay: foo would be a first step, but I don't expect it to be enough. I'm open to suggestions about how to increase that ratio :) Another possibility would be (if

Re: [Wikitech-l] category intersection conversations

2013-05-09 Thread Brad Jorsch
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:47 PM, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org wrote: * Pages are implicitly in the parent categories of their explicit categories * - Pages in Politicians from the Netherlands are in People from the Netherlands by profession (its first parent) and People from the

Re: [Wikitech-l] category intersection conversations

2013-05-09 Thread James Forrester
[I worry we're talking about operational details, which should be a wider discussion, rather than a technology/feasibility conversation to which this list is more suited. Perhaps moving this on-wiki would be best?] On 9 May 2013 09:28, Brad Jorsch bjor...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Wed, May 8,

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Testing and monitoring deployed code

2013-05-09 Thread Greg Grossmeier
Hello all, quote name=Ori Livneh date=2013-04-23 time=15:23:49 -0700 On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Greg Grossmeier wrote: On the [[How to deploy code]] wikitech page, there is a section on Testing your live code:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Feasibility question: Posting mailing list notifications to a wiki page

2013-05-09 Thread Arthur Richards
This might be something that would be better suited for Echo rather than talk page notifications. On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Guillaume Paumier gpaum...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Guillaume Paumier gpaum...@wikimedia.org wrote: Perhaps using email subjects

Re: [Wikitech-l] Purging parts of varnish cache

2013-05-09 Thread Arthur Richards
Previously we had spoken about implementing partial page caching (ESI) for Zero so we could remove X-CS variance for article content and use it only for partner banners. Is this still being pursued? On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:24 PM, Yuri Astrakhan yastrak...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Hi, when we edit

Re: [Wikitech-l] category intersection conversations

2013-05-09 Thread Luke Welling WMF
Without deliberately making it an even longer term plan, as I think it is a great idea, another long goal solution to the same problem would be (as Flow gets Wikipedians into the idea of tagging) that categories get largely replaced by tags. That way they lose much of their absoluteness and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Feasibility question: Posting mailing list notifications to a wiki page

2013-05-09 Thread Quim Gil
This is a cool idea. On 05/09/2013 06:19 AM, Guillaume Paumier wrote: What I currently have in mind is a bot subscribed to the wikitech-ambassadors list, that would post every first message of a thread to the talk page of people who have signed up (like

Re: [Wikitech-l] category intersection conversations

2013-05-09 Thread Brian Wolff
On 2013-05-09 3:21 PM, Luke Welling WMF lwell...@wikimedia.org wrote: Without deliberately making it an even longer term plan, as I think it is a great idea, another long goal solution to the same problem would be (as Flow gets Wikipedians into the idea of tagging) that categories get largely

Re: [Wikitech-l] category intersection conversations

2013-05-09 Thread James Forrester
On 9 May 2013 12:07, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: Nobody has ever been able to explain to me the technical difference between tag and category. (Other than being able to query intersections, which is wanted for cats anyhow) ​The theory is that tags are non-hierarchical,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Purging parts of varnish cache

2013-05-09 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
ESI for older browsers, and JavaScript otherwise are still on the table, but that's orthogonal to the varnish cache purge -- if we use ESI, the banner will be cached and will need to be purged. If we use JavaScript, the JSON configuration blob will need to be purged. The only difference is the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Purging parts of varnish cache

2013-05-09 Thread Arthur Richards
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Yuri Astrakhan yastrak...@wikimedia.orgwrote: ESI for older browsers, and JavaScript otherwise are still on the table, but that's orthogonal to the varnish cache purge -- if we use ESI, the banner will be cached and will need to be purged. If we use JavaScript,

Re: [Wikitech-l] category intersection conversations

2013-05-09 Thread Brian Wolff
On 2013-05-09 4:13 PM, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 9 May 2013 12:07, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: Nobody has ever been able to explain to me the technical difference between tag and category. (Other than being able to query intersections, which is wanted for

Re: [Wikitech-l] automatic extraction of wikipedia entries

2013-05-09 Thread Pierre Jourlin
Lars Aronsson lars at aronsson.se writes: Hi Pierre, You are invited to test my demonstration at : http://dev.termwatch.es/~jourlin/demo.php I get this message: A username and password are being requested by http://dev.termwatch.es. The site says: Par invitation seuleument / By

Re: [Wikitech-l] category intersection conversations

2013-05-09 Thread David Gerard
On 9 May 2013 19:21, Luke Welling WMF lwell...@wikimedia.org wrote: With tags, a biography could relatively uncontroversially be tagged as Novelist, Woman, Best Selling, American, Blonde Haired, Enjoys Spicy Food even if nearly everybody agrees that half the tags while true are entirely

Re: [Wikitech-l] category intersection conversations

2013-05-09 Thread James Forrester
On 9 May 2013 12:40, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: So yeah, whatever we use to add tags needs to be able to add citations as well, right there next to the tag. Well, to me that's a​n even more compelling reason create such a system (Categories as-is don't have them): WikiTags let you

Re: [Wikitech-l] category intersection conversations

2013-05-09 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
On 05/09/2013 03:07 PM, Brian Wolff wrote: Just change mediawiki:pagecategories to tags and change some social conventions - boom you have tags. Just a reminder - customs and assumptions are sometimes harder to change than digital or physical environments. -- Sumana Harihareswara Engineering

[Wikitech-l] Recursive merging enabled for Gerrit repositories

2013-05-09 Thread Chad
Hi, We've enabled JGit's recursive merger for all repositories using content merge strategies (basically any not using fast forwarding, which is most). The intention is to lower the number of trivial conflicts that people are having to resolve locally. This is considered experimental by Gerrit,

[Wikitech-l] test: Jenkins crashed again today

2013-05-09 Thread Antoine Musso
Hello, Jenkins crashed again today. The first time at 6am UTC, I got it fixed. And again between 9pm and 10pm UTC. This has been a recurring event since we have upgraded our installation and the bug is: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48025 Tonight I got Jenkins access log

Re: [Wikitech-l] Feasibility question: Posting mailing list notifications to a wiki page

2013-05-09 Thread Risker
I can certainly understand the frustration of developers, staff and volunteer, in trying to find a good way to communicate with the very diverse communities about changes. The number of volunteer testers is small (and often tending toward the technically highly literate), the potential number of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Coding style: Language construct spacing

2013-05-09 Thread S Page
we all copied it... I learned the idiom require_once( 'path.php' ); from * My wiki's LocalSettings.php , generated by includes/installer/LocalSettingsGenerator.php * The LocalSettings.php of labs instances, in puppet labs-localsettings * The installation instructions for every extension on

[Wikitech-l] HipHop VM support: ArrayObject and filter_var()

2013-05-09 Thread Tim Starling
Several people from the HipHop team at Facebook just met with several people from WMF. Also, in the last couple of days, I've been doing some research into what it would take to make MediaWiki support HipHop VM. The answer is: not very much. There's two features that we use, mostly in extensions,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Coding style: Language construct spacing

2013-05-09 Thread Tim Starling
On 09/05/13 10:26, Krinkle wrote: I'm obviously biased, but I think the same goes for require_once (and include, require etc.). Right now this is causing quite a few warnings in our php-checkstyle report. include and require return a value, so they are more like functions than return or print.

Re: [Wikitech-l] HipHop VM support: ArrayObject and filter_var()

2013-05-09 Thread Daniel Friesen
On Thu, 09 May 2013 18:10:53 -0700, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: * SplDoublyLinkedList * SplFixedArray * SplHeap * SplMaxHeap * SplMinHeap * SplPriorityQueue * SplQueue * SplStack It would be nice if HHVM would support these. I'm not sure what is so complex about these that

Re: [Wikitech-l] [RFC] Update our code to use RDFa 1.1 instead of RDFa 1.0

2013-05-09 Thread Daniel Friesen
On Wed, 08 May 2013 03:52:07 -0700, Daniel Friesen dan...@nadir-seen-fire.com wrote: I was going through our code contemplating dropping XHTML 1.1 support and ran into the RDFa support stuff and realized how out of date and limited it is. I've put together an RFC for replacing our code

Re: [Wikitech-l] [RFC] Update our code to use RDFa 1.1 instead of RDFa 1.0

2013-05-09 Thread Tyler Romeo
Well I don't have any experience in RDFa, but looking at the proposal, it seems like something we should do. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2015 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Daniel Friesen

Re: [Wikitech-l] [RFC] Update our code to use RDFa 1.1 instead of RDFa 1.0

2013-05-09 Thread James Forrester
On 9 May 2013 18:29, Daniel Friesen dan...@nadir-seen-fire.com wrote: On Wed, 08 May 2013 03:52:07 -0700, Daniel Friesen dan...@nadir-seen-fire.com wrote: I was going through our code contemplating dropping XHTML 1.1 support and ran into the RDFa support stuff and realized how out of date

Re: [Wikitech-l] HipHop VM support: ArrayObject and filter_var()

2013-05-09 Thread Tim Starling
On 10/05/13 11:28, Daniel Friesen wrote: On Thu, 09 May 2013 18:10:53 -0700, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: * SplDoublyLinkedList * SplFixedArray * SplHeap * SplMaxHeap * SplMinHeap * SplPriorityQueue * SplQueue * SplStack It would be nice if HHVM would support these.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Coding style: Language construct spacing

2013-05-09 Thread Tyler Romeo
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 9:22 PM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.orgwrote: include and require return a value, so they are more like functions than return or print. See e.g. ResourceLoader.php: $this-register( include( $IP/resources/Resources.php ) ); You could compare them to

Re: [Wikitech-l] HipHop VM support: ArrayObject and filter_var()

2013-05-09 Thread Tyler Romeo
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 9:46 PM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.orgwrote: You can always implement the parts you need in pure PHP. True. It might be worthwhile to make some sort of Spl compatibility library that loads in PHP versions of those classes if they do not exists. That way we can use

Re: [Wikitech-l] HipHop VM support: ArrayObject and filter_var()

2013-05-09 Thread Tim Starling
On 10/05/13 11:48, Tyler Romeo wrote: On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 9:46 PM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.orgwrote: You can always implement the parts you need in pure PHP. True. It might be worthwhile to make some sort of Spl compatibility library that loads in PHP versions of those

Re: [Wikitech-l] HipHop VM support: ArrayObject and filter_var()

2013-05-09 Thread Tyler Romeo
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.orgwrote: If you can write a complete and accurate compatibility class in pure PHP, then it can be included in HipHop in the system/classes directory. Interesting. I'll try and work on this. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens

Re: [Wikitech-l] Next bugday: May 03rd, 15:00-16:30UTC on MediaWiki Installer issues

2013-05-09 Thread Andre Klapper
On Tue, 2013-04-30 at 14:08 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote: Friday, May 03rd, 15:00-16:30 UTC [1] in #wikimedia-office on Freenode IRC [2] We are going to take a look at recent MediaWiki installer reports, trying to reproduce some plus provide feedback and prioritization. Quick summary

[Wikitech-l] New developments in automated testing, including mobile browsers apps

2013-05-09 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
https://lwn.net/Articles/548910/ A summary of talks at a recent conference on test automation, with a bunch of links for people who want to follow up and watch videos. A major theme was WebDriver, which is an API for automating web browsers. Mozilla presented its work on WebDriver support in

[Wikitech-l] [RFC] Drop XHTML 1.1

2013-05-09 Thread Daniel Friesen
This one will probably be more controversial than my RDFa 1.1 RFC. It's time to drop support for XHTML 1.1 which effectively disables portions of MW's features. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Drop_XHTML_1.1 And a commit implementing it:

Re: [Wikitech-l] category intersection conversations

2013-05-09 Thread Dmitriy Sintsov
On 09.05.2013 20:28, Brad Jorsch wrote: On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:47 PM, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org wrote: * Pages are implicitly in the parent categories of their explicit categories * - Pages in Politicians from the Netherlands are in People from the Netherlands by profession

Re: [Wikitech-l] category intersection conversations

2013-05-09 Thread Bartosz Dziewoński
Dmitriy, yes, and that's the point - in practice Wikipedia categories are not transitive. We've been working on this slowly at pl.wp lately, trying to split the categories into two kinds marked with appropriate templates: topic categories, including all related entries, e.g. Category:Water; and