Re: [Wikitech-l] category intersection conversations

2013-05-10 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 05/09/2013 03:49 PM, James Forrester wrote: On 9 May 2013 12:40, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: So yeah, whatever we use to add tags needs to be able to add citations as well, right there next to the tag. Well, to me that's a​n even more compelling reason create such a system

[Wikitech-l] [GSoC] tools for micromanagement

2013-05-10 Thread Yury Katkov
Hi everyone! What tools do you use for a small tasks in Google Summer of Code? I mean the tasks like prepare the working environment, learn gerrit, write a blogpost, etc.? I thin that bugzilla is too heavy for this purpose. Also can we use microblogging for reporting the current progress (in

Re: [Wikitech-l] [GSoC] tools for micromanagement

2013-05-10 Thread Brian Wolff
On 2013-05-10 3:52 AM, Yury Katkov katkov.ju...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone! What tools do you use for a small tasks in Google Summer of Code? I mean the tasks like prepare the working environment, learn gerrit, write a blogpost, etc.? I thin that bugzilla is too heavy for this purpose.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Feasibility question: Posting mailing list notifications to a wiki page

2013-05-10 Thread Guillaume Paumier
Hi, On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 7:41 PM, Arthur Richards aricha...@wikimedia.org wrote: This might be something that would be better suited for Echo rather than talk page notifications. I agree; the problem is that such notifications are currently not planned in Echo/Notifications. Quoting from my

Re: [Wikitech-l] [GSoC] tools for micromanagement

2013-05-10 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 10/05/13 08:51, Yury Katkov a écrit : Hi everyone! What tools do you use for a small tasks in Google Summer of Code? I mean the tasks like prepare the working environment, learn gerrit, write a blogpost, etc.? I thin that bugzilla is too heavy for this purpose. Also can we use

[Wikitech-l] Amsterdam hackathon workshops

2013-05-10 Thread Finne Boonen
For all Amsterdam hackathon attendees We've made a first draft of the programme for the Amsterdam Hackathon. We have room for 6 workshops which will be run twice over the course of the Hackathon. Which topics should we cover in them? Based on your motivations, we've made a list of the top 8

Re: [Wikitech-l] New developments in automated testing, including mobile browsers apps

2013-05-10 Thread Željko Filipin
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 5:13 AM, Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.org wrote: I believe we are not currently using any of the technologies mentioned to specifically perform automated testing on mobile apps or mobile browsers, although I could be wrong. We do run Selenium tests on

Re: [Wikitech-l] [GSoC] tools for micromanagement

2013-05-10 Thread Peter Kaminski
On 5/10/13 04:16 AM, Antoine Musso wrote: A bunch of people at Wikimedia uses https://trello.com/ . It let you define pipelines and stick cards in them which you can then drag'n drop. It allows you to do this collaboratively with other people, too. I recommend regular, short, synchronous

Re: [Wikitech-l] [RFC] Drop XHTML 1.1

2013-05-10 Thread Andre Klapper
On Thu, 2013-05-09 at 21:43 -0700, Daniel Friesen wrote: This one will probably be more controversial than my RDFa 1.1 RFC. It's time to drop support for XHTML 1.1 which effectively disables portions of MW's features. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Drop_XHTML_1.1

Re: [Wikitech-l] HipHop VM support: ArrayObject and filter_var()

2013-05-10 Thread Jeroen De Dauw
Hey, I can see why SPL might require extra work in HipHop to support. At the same time I find it somewhat unfortunate this means one cannot use the Standard PHP Library. Question: Is it possible to use HipHop only for part of a codebase. For instance, if there is some MW extension that depends

Re: [Wikitech-l] [RFC] Drop XHTML 1.1

2013-05-10 Thread Brion Vibber
Yes, kill it with fire! -- brion On May 9, 2013 9:44 PM, Daniel Friesen dan...@nadir-seen-fire.com wrote: This one will probably be more controversial than my RDFa 1.1 RFC. It's time to drop support for XHTML 1.1 which effectively disables portions of MW's features.

Re: [Wikitech-l] [RFC] Drop XHTML 1.1

2013-05-10 Thread Chad
Ye! -Chad On May 10, 2013 9:36 AM, Brion Vibber bvib...@wikimedia.org wrote: Yes, kill it with fire! -- brion On May 9, 2013 9:44 PM, Daniel Friesen dan...@nadir-seen-fire.com wrote: This one will probably be more controversial than my RDFa 1.1 RFC. It's time to drop support for

[Wikitech-l] IRC office hour on Bug management: Mon May 13th, 1600 UTC

2013-05-10 Thread Andre Klapper
Hi everybody, you're invited to join the IRC office hour [1] on Monday about Wikimedia's issue tracker [2] and Bug management in general [3]. # Date: Monday, May 13th, 2013 # Time: 1600-1700 UTC; 0900-1000 PDT # IRC channel: #wikimedia-office on irc.freenode.net [4] I'll present some recent

Re: [Wikitech-l] HipHop VM support: ArrayObject and filter_var()

2013-05-10 Thread Max Semenik
On 10.05.2013, 5:10 Tim wrote: Several people from the HipHop team at Facebook just met with several people from WMF. Also, in the last couple of days, I've been doing some research into what it would take to make MediaWiki support HipHop VM. The answer is: not very much. There's two

Re: [Wikitech-l] HipHop VM support: ArrayObject and filter_var()

2013-05-10 Thread Chad
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Max Semenik maxsem.w...@gmail.com wrote: On 10.05.2013, 5:10 Tim wrote: Several people from the HipHop team at Facebook just met with several people from WMF. Also, in the last couple of days, I've been doing some research into what it would take to make

Re: [Wikitech-l] category intersection conversations

2013-05-10 Thread Brad Jorsch
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 1:43 AM, Dmitriy Sintsov ques...@rambler.ru wrote: On 09.05.2013 20:28, Brad Jorsch wrote: On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:47 PM, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org wrote: * Pages are implicitly in the parent categories of their explicit categories * - Pages in

Re: [Wikitech-l] HipHop VM support: ArrayObject and filter_var()

2013-05-10 Thread Chad
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, I can see why SPL might require extra work in HipHop to support. At the same time I find it somewhat unfortunate this means one cannot use the Standard PHP Library. Yeah, but I think it's a workable issue.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Feasibility question: Posting mailing list notifications to a wiki page

2013-05-10 Thread Brad Jorsch
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Guillaume Paumier gpaum...@wikimedia.org wrote: What I currently have in mind is a bot subscribed to the wikitech-ambassadors list, that would post every first message of a thread to the talk page of people who have signed up (like

Re: [Wikitech-l] New developments in automated testing, including mobile browsers apps

2013-05-10 Thread Chris McMahon
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.orgwrote: https://lwn.net/Articles/548910/ A summary of talks at a recent conference on test automation, with a bunch of links for people who want to follow up and watch videos. Chris McMahon was at this conference and

[Wikitech-l] Technical communications: less is more

2013-05-10 Thread Quim Gil
Hi, a heads up about this proposal for organizing less technical communications activities (tech talks, meetups etc) and put more focus and resources on each one: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Technical_communications#Technical_communications:_less_is_more Please discuss there. -- Quim

Re: [Wikitech-l] APIStrat conference, San Francisco, October 23, 24, 25

2013-05-10 Thread Juliusz Gonera
One thing I forgot to mention: the organizers of APIStrat would like to know if we participate or not at the beginning of next week. Please send a short draft of a proposal to Vanessa (she is one of the organizers) if you are interested. On 05/07/2013 02:33 PM, Juliusz Gonera wrote: A friend

Re: [Wikitech-l] [GSoC] tools for micromanagement

2013-05-10 Thread Quim Gil
I guess someone has written in a management book something like Don't drive anybody into a project management tool that you are not using currently yourself. :) On 05/09/2013 11:51 PM, Yury Katkov wrote: What tools do you use for a small tasks in Google Summer of Code? I mean the tasks like

Re: [Wikitech-l] [GSoC] tools for micromanagement

2013-05-10 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2013/5/10 Yury Katkov katkov.ju...@gmail.com: Hi everyone! What tools do you use for a small tasks in Google Summer of Code? I mean the tasks like prepare the working environment, learn gerrit, write a blogpost, etc.? I thin that bugzilla is too heavy for this purpose. Short answer: Google

Re: [Wikitech-l] test: Jenkins crashed again today

2013-05-10 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 10/05/13 00:00, Antoine Musso a écrit : Hello, Jenkins crashed again today. The first time at 6am UTC, I got it fixed. And again between 9pm and 10pm UTC. This has been a recurring event since we have upgraded our installation and the bug is:

Re: [Wikitech-l] [GSoC] tools for micromanagement

2013-05-10 Thread Brian Wolff
On 2013-05-10 4:13 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: 2013/5/10 Yury Katkov katkov.ju...@gmail.com: Hi everyone! What tools do you use for a small tasks in Google Summer of Code? I mean the tasks like prepare the working environment, learn gerrit, write a blogpost,

Re: [Wikitech-l] HipHop VM support: ArrayObject and filter_var()

2013-05-10 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 10/05/13 03:10, Tim Starling a écrit : So I'd like to suggest that we refuse new code submissions in Gerrit that use these features, if they are targeted for WMF production, This can be done using CodeSniffer. We can write a specific style standard such as WikimediaProduction that will

Re: [Wikitech-l] HipHop VM support: ArrayObject and filter_var()

2013-05-10 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 10/05/13 03:10, Tim Starling a écrit : There's a few other SPL features that we don't use at the moment and we should avoid introducing if possible due to lack of support in HipHop: snip: various SPL classes I wish we actually used Spl :-] They are nice classes providing all kind of useful

[Wikitech-l] Deployment Highlights - Week of May 13th, 2013

2013-05-10 Thread Greg Grossmeier
Hello and welcome to the latest installment of the Deployment Highlights email. The full calendar for next week lives at: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments#Week_of_May_13th For the week of May 6th we have the following interesting deployments: == Monday == This is the first day

Re: [Wikitech-l] Git for idiots

2013-05-10 Thread S Page
I think that it might be a good idea to add another tutorial for complete newbies. Note Mediawiki.org doesn't have a Git tutorial. There are tons of those on the web. Thanks to recent work (by Quim and others I think) we have three fairly rational pages,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Git for idiots

2013-05-10 Thread Rahul Maliakkal
Biggest disadvantage I see on the official documents is they don't contain the hypothetical situation when something is wrong, they are relying on the fact that everything is as it's supposed to be - perfect. That user has perfectly configured system, that user doesn't accidentally break

Re: [Wikitech-l] Git for idiots

2013-05-10 Thread Steve Summit
S Page wrote: Note Mediawiki.org doesn't have a Git tutorial. There are tons of those on the web... Git+Gerrit is fundamentally hard and complicated... So perhaps there could be a little section somewhere saying something like: Using Git and Gerrit effectively requires understanding

Re: [Wikitech-l] Git for idiots

2013-05-10 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 05/10/2013 06:12 PM, Steve Summit wrote: (Obviously that's incomplete, but as someone who only understands conventional repositories that you check files out of and in to, I don't yet get git at all, myself, either.) Despite the snark, this is also my experience. I've yet to get really

Re: [Wikitech-l] [GSoC] tools for micromanagement

2013-05-10 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
On 05/10/2013 02:51 AM, Yury Katkov wrote: Hi everyone! What tools do you use for a small tasks in Google Summer of Code? I mean the tasks like prepare the working environment, learn gerrit, write a blogpost, etc.? I thin that bugzilla is too heavy for this purpose. Also can we use