[Wikitech-l] Discontinue internet explorer 6 and 7 support

2014-06-29 Thread Thomas Mulhall
Hi could we discontinue support for internet explorer 6 and 7 because jquery ui 1.11.0 drops support for internet explorer 6 and 7. Windows xp support internet explorer 8. and so I think we can discontinue support for internet exporer 6 and 7. ___

Re: [Wikitech-l] Discontinue internet explorer 6 and 7 support

2014-06-29 Thread Andre Klapper
Hi, On Sun, 2014-06-29 at 16:56 +0100, Thomas Mulhall wrote: Hi could we discontinue support for internet explorer 6 and 7 because jquery ui 1.11.0 drops support for internet explorer 6 and 7. Could you elaborate how decisions made by Jquery UI developers are relevant for us, and who the we

Re: [Wikitech-l] Discontinue internet explorer 6 and 7 support

2014-06-29 Thread Brian Wolff
On 6/29/14, Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi, On Sun, 2014-06-29 at 16:56 +0100, Thomas Mulhall wrote: Hi could we discontinue support for internet explorer 6 and 7 because jquery ui 1.11.0 drops support for internet explorer 6 and 7. Could you elaborate how decisions made by

Re: [Wikitech-l] Discontinue internet explorer 6 and 7 support

2014-06-29 Thread Thomas Mulhall
Well jquery iu says that less then 1% of those are using those browser so I think we should discontinue support for these browser windows xp can still get internet explorer 8 which supports more things then internet explorer 6 and 7. ___ Wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Discontinue internet explorer 6 and 7 support

2014-06-29 Thread Daniel Norton
On Jun 29, 2014, at 12:33 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: Wait, we support internet explorer 6? (Currently IE 6 is 1.17% and 7 is 0.9%. On our scale, 1% is actually a very high number of people. However some bots probably use IE6 as a user-agent, so unclear if those numbers are

Re: [Wikitech-l] Discontinue internet explorer 6 and 7 support

2014-06-29 Thread Thomas Mulhall
Well jquery iu says that less then 1% of those are using those browser so I think we should discontinue support for these browser windows xp can still get internet explorer 8 which supports more things then internet explorer 6 and 7. ___ Wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Discontinue internet explorer 6 and 7 support

2014-06-29 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 29/06/2014 20:15, Thomas Mulhall a écrit : Well jquery iu says that less then 1% of those are using those browser so I think we should discontinue support for these browser windows xp can still get internet explorer 8 which supports more things then internet explorer 6 and 7. At Wikimedia

Re: [Wikitech-l] Discontinue internet explorer 6 and 7 support

2014-06-29 Thread Pine W
Do we still have populations of legitimate users who are working with Windows-based operating systems older than XP? I have heard that in the developing world Windows 2000 is still in use, despite its security vulnerabilities. That said, I would not oppose strongly encouraging users to switch to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Discontinue internet explorer 6 and 7 support

2014-06-29 Thread Pine W
OK, next question is what costs would we be saving by dropping compatibility with IE 6 and 7? If the cost of maintaining compatibility is minimal, at least for basic Wikipedia accessibility and editing, then I hope that compatibility continues. Compatibility for advanced features may require more

Re: [Wikitech-l] Discontinue internet explorer 6 and 7 support

2014-06-29 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 06/29/2014 03:08 PM, Antoine Musso wrote: Le 29/06/2014 20:15, Thomas Mulhall a écrit : Well jquery iu says that less then 1% of those are using those browser so I think we should discontinue support for these browser windows xp can still get internet explorer 8 which supports more things

Re: [Wikitech-l] Discontinue internet explorer 6 and 7 support

2014-06-29 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 06/29/2014 01:33 PM, Brian Wolff wrote: I would expect basic site functionality to work in IE 6. You should be able to edit a page, you should be able to read your talk page, etc. I wouldn't expect fancy new features to work unless they are critical to site function. Agreed, and that can be

Re: [Wikitech-l] Discontinue internet explorer 6 and 7 support

2014-06-29 Thread Pine W
Could IE6 and IE7 users edit without Javascript, perhaps by using the mobile version of Wikipedia? Having a way for anyone to edit wikitext without requiring Javascript sounds like a good idea anyway. On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Matthew Flaschen mflasc...@wikimedia.org wrote: On

Re: [Wikitech-l] Discontinue internet explorer 6 and 7 support

2014-06-29 Thread Pine W
Ah, question answered right before my post. OK. On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Could IE6 and IE7 users edit without Javascript, perhaps by using the mobile version of Wikipedia? Having a way for anyone to edit wikitext without requiring Javascript sounds

Re: [Wikitech-l] Discontinue internet explorer 6 and 7 support

2014-06-29 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 06/29/2014 11:56 AM, Thomas Mulhall wrote: Hi could we discontinue support for internet explorer 6 and 7 because jquery ui 1.11.0 drops support for internet explorer 6 and 7. Windows xp support internet explorer 8. and so I think we can discontinue support for internet exporer 6 and 7. IE 6

Re: [Wikitech-l] Discontinue internet explorer 6 and 7 support

2014-06-29 Thread Thomas Mulhall
Well windows 200 is not supported. And windows xp internet explorer 6 was only made for windows xp. And windows xp user should upgrade to internet explorer 8 because internet explorer 6 has not been updated in a long time and has a lot of security flows whereas internet explorer 7 and 8 have

Re: [Wikitech-l] Discontinue internet explorer 6 and 7 support

2014-06-29 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 06/29/2014 05:44 PM, Thomas Mulhall wrote: Well windows 200 is not supported. And windows xp internet explorer 6 was only made for windows xp. And windows xp user should upgrade to internet explorer 8 because internet explorer 6 has not been updated in a long time and has a lot of security

Re: [Wikitech-l] Discontinue internet explorer 6 and 7 support

2014-06-29 Thread Thomas Mulhall
Ok. We should also ask users of internet explorer 7 to upgrade to internet explorer 8. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Discontinue internet explorer 6 and 7 support

2014-06-29 Thread Pine W
Sounds good. I also would think about having Wikimedia banners at the top of the browser for users of IE6 through IE8 that caution them that they are using a browser and OS with security risks that might, among other things, leave them vulnerable to having their Wikimedia browsing, Wikimedia

Re: [Wikitech-l] Discontinue internet explorer 6 and 7 support

2014-06-29 Thread Tim Starling
On 30/06/14 03:33, Brian Wolff wrote: Wait, we support internet explorer 6? (Currently IE 6 is 1.17% and 7 is 0.9%. On our scale, 1% is actually a very high number of people. However some bots probably use IE6 as a user-agent, so unclear if those numbers are inflated). If it were 1% spread

Re: [Wikitech-l] Discontinue internet explorer 6 and 7 support

2014-06-29 Thread Daniel Norton
On Jun 29, 2014, at 6:12 PM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: http://globalsem.wordbank.com/global-marketing/ie6-china/ Reading between the lines: updates are complicated. …[M]any of the Windows operating systems are not direct purchases – these methods do not allow upgrade. i.e.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Discontinue internet explorer 6 and 7 support

2014-06-29 Thread Trevor Parscal
I'm happy to see us talking about leaving these old browsers behind, but it seems a few existing policies and situations may have been overlooked in this thread thus far. Hopefully this list of things to consider will be helpful: 1. We are planning on moving away from jQuery UI this year as

Re: [Wikitech-l] Discontinue internet explorer 6 and 7 support

2014-06-29 Thread Daniel Norton
On Jun 29, 2014, at 6:49 PM, Trevor Parscal tpars...@wikimedia.org wrote: 2. We have a policy in place that any browser with 0.1% market share or more should be supported for reading and basic contribution It seems that wisdom would suggest flexibility on that policy if the 0.1% includes a

[Wikitech-l] Bugzilla Weekly Report

2014-06-29 Thread reporter
MediaWiki Bugzilla Report for June 23, 2014 - June 30, 2014 Status changes this week Reports changed/set to UNCONFIRMED: 3 Reports changed/set to NEW: 19 Reports changed/set to ASSIGNED : 33 Reports