Re: [Wikitech-l] JetBrains licenses for Volunteers and Staff

2016-05-09 Thread Pine W
Hi Yuri, ReSharper interests me. This email refers to license upgrades. What is involved in initially qualifying for a license? Thanks, Pine On Apr 18, 2016 09:44, "Yuri Astrakhan" wrote: > PhpStorm, InteliJ IDEA, Resharper and other JetBrain users, we just >

Re: [Wikitech-l] historical trivia: who first picked UTC as Wikimedia time, when and why?

2016-05-09 Thread MZMcBride
David Gerard wrote: >Question about obscure historical detail: Who picked UTC as Wikimedia >time? When was this, and what was the thought process? > >(the answer is almost certainly "Brion or Jimbo, early 2001, it's the >obvious choice", but I'm just curious as to details.) Maybe Lee in 2002?

Re: [Wikitech-l] JetBrains licenses for Volunteers and Staff

2016-05-09 Thread Danny B.
For the list people - Please ignore the first sentence... That has its own context known by the intended recipient and was supposed to be sent somewhere else... My now-already-former email client accidentaly sent it before I changed the recipient's address... :-/ -- Původní zpráva

Re: [Wikitech-l] Phabricator Differential lackings

2016-05-09 Thread Derk-Jan Hartman
As someone who has worked with Differential outside of Wikimedia projects, I can summarize this back as: The problem of Differential is not the possibilities and functionality, it is a problem of usability (UX). Github, Gitlab and Bitbucket have the UX of using tons of different repo's down,

Re: [Wikitech-l] JetBrains licenses for Volunteers and Staff

2016-05-09 Thread Danny B.
And this is coming from the non-serious-Wikimedia-business address... ;-) However: " We could also use a few more admins for these licenses." - if it is still valid, I'm reporting to the duty, sir! Danny B. -- Původní zpráva -- Od: Yuri Astrakhan

Re: [Wikitech-l] historical trivia: who first picked UTC as Wikimedia time, when and why?

2016-05-09 Thread Tim Starling
UseMod had a concept of "server time", and early versions of the main page stated that server time was US Pacific Time. The date on the main page was heroically updated manually by Malcolm Farmer, for example: This

[Wikitech-l] Help improve search relevance with Discernatron 烙

2016-05-09 Thread Chris Koerner
The Discovery department's [1] work to improve search continues with a new tool! We are asking volunteers to help choose, or discern, which search results are the most relevant. One way of improving search results relevance is to provide search results from multiple search engines side-by-side

Re: [Wikitech-l] Phabricator Differential lackings

2016-05-09 Thread Mukunda Modell
Hi Krinkle, I think you've raised some valid points, however, you've missed a couple of details that are relevant. I'll try to fill in the details so that we can get a better vision of what the workflow looks like with Differential. Rest assured, those of us who advocate for using Differential do

Re: [Wikitech-l] ResourceLoader addModuleStyles() issues

2016-05-09 Thread Krinkle
On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 7:17 PM, Brion Vibber wrote: > > > So, step 2 happens at least 30 days after deploying step 1? Or step 2 > retains same behavior for Output A? > > -- brion > > 14 days [1]. But yes, we'll need some breathing room after step 1. After step 2, old

[Wikitech-l] Phabricator Differential lackings

2016-05-09 Thread Krinkle
I apologise if some of the below does in fact exist, I'd gladly find out! There are three major parts of my workflow as project maintainer and contributor that I find lacking in Differential right now and are strong reason for me to discourage anyone from migrating to it. In addition, projects

Re: [Wikitech-l] ResourceLoader addModuleStyles() issues

2016-05-09 Thread Brion Vibber
On Monday, May 9, 2016, Krinkle wrote: > On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 1:43 PM, Brion Vibber > wrote: > > > Quick notes on the migration path: > > > > > > *Cached page HTML* > > > > HTML cached under the old regime would still be served for

Re: [Wikitech-l] Thursday: Get your patch reviewed during "Code Review office hours"

2016-05-09 Thread Jon Robson
Thanks for setting this up Mukunda! On Sun, May 8, 2016 at 8:48 PM, Mukunda Modell wrote: > Starting Thursday May 12th, 13:00 PDT ( 20:00 GMT ) we will be having the > first weekly Code Review office hours on freenode IRC in the > #wikimedia-codereview channel. > > Event

Re: [Wikitech-l] historical trivia: who first picked UTC as Wikimedia time, when and why?

2016-05-09 Thread Brion Vibber
In 2001 when Magnus was writing the initial attempt at a custom wiki engine in PHP backed by MySQL, he chose to use the TIMESTAMP column type. TIMESTAMPs in MySQL 3 were automatically filled out by the server at INSERT time, normalized to UTC, and exposed in the 14-digit MMDDHHMMSS format we

Re: [Wikitech-l] ResourceLoader addModuleStyles() issues

2016-05-09 Thread Jon Robson
Okay great! :) I got lost in the details. Lets make it so! On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 6:50 AM, Krinkle wrote: > On Sun, May 8, 2016 at 5:47 PM, Jon Robson wrote: > >> Apologies if I'm missing something that makes this so complicated but >> could we not

Re: [Wikitech-l] ResourceLoader addModuleStyles() issues

2016-05-09 Thread Brad Jorsch (Anomie)
On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Krinkle wrote: > The corruption I hypothesised is avoided because by design, page styles > modules may not have dependencies. If a module 'foo' ignores that design > requirement and changes regardless to require 'bar', then that change is in

Re: [Wikitech-l] ResourceLoader addModuleStyles() issues

2016-05-09 Thread Krinkle
On Sun, May 8, 2016 at 5:47 PM, Jon Robson wrote: > Apologies if I'm missing something that makes this so complicated but > could we not simply throw an error/warning if you use addModuleStyles > on a module with scripts set That's exactly what I'm proposing we do.

Re: [Wikitech-l] ResourceLoader addModuleStyles() issues

2016-05-09 Thread Krinkle
On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 1:43 PM, Brion Vibber wrote: > Quick notes on the migration path: > > > *Cached page HTML* > > HTML cached under the old regime would still be served for a while, but > ResourceLoader would load the newer style. I *think* that should work as > long

Re: [Wikitech-l] ResourceLoader addModuleStyles() issues

2016-05-09 Thread Krinkle
On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:23 PM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) wrote: > On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 6:34 AM, Krinkle wrote: > > > [..] We don't currently require modules to say whether they are a > dynamic module. > > > Maybe we *should* require that. > > Then

[Wikitech-l] historical trivia: who first picked UTC as Wikimedia time, when and why?

2016-05-09 Thread David Gerard
Question about obscure historical detail: Who picked UTC as Wikimedia time? When was this, and what was the thought process? (the answer is almost certainly "Brion or Jimbo, early 2001, it's the obvious choice", but I'm just curious as to details.) - d.