Re: [Wikitech-l] global cleanup of nowiki

2015-06-20 Thread Kevin Wayne Williams
Subramanya Sastry schreef op 2015/06/20 om 10:49: On 06/20/2015 11:45 AM, Arlo Breault wrote: On Friday, June 19, 2015 at 1:38 AM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: There may be more - I'm still looking for these. I was reading the discussion on gradually enabling VE for new accounts [3] and Kww writes

Re: [Wikitech-l] Obfuscating IP addresses on history pages

2015-04-08 Thread Kevin Wayne Williams
Cristian Consonni schreef op 2015/04/08 om 3:00: 2015-04-05 17:31 GMT+02:00 Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com: Things that come to my mind: *range blocks become impossible, and its impossible to tell if vandals are using near by ips *cant do a whois on the ip to see if its a library or something

Re: [Wikitech-l] Lists as first class citizens

2015-04-04 Thread Kevin Wayne Williams
I hereby nominate collections. Describes it well and, at least to my ear, helps convey a bit of the notion that it's a personal thing. KWW Risker schreef op 2015/04/04 om 8:08: Hi Jon - These look interesting, and I'm sure some people will enjoy them a lot. From my perspective as a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Starting conversion of LiquidThreads to Flow at mediawiki.org

2015-03-28 Thread Kevin Wayne Williams
Risker schreef op 2015/03/20 om 5:46: Nonetheless, if you were trying to illustrate that there are communication benefits in having an easily read flow of discussion, I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you about that, and simplification of the indentation system/process would be desirable

Re: [Wikitech-l] Starting conversion of LiquidThreads to Flow at mediawiki.org

2015-03-17 Thread Kevin Wayne Williams
Danny Horn schreef op 2015/03/17 om 21:08: And I'm glad to hear that this thread has come close to almost inspiring optimism. That's what I'm here for. In a sample of one. Still, I guess one finds solace where one can. KWW ___ Wikitech-l mailing

Re: [Wikitech-l] Starting conversion of LiquidThreads to Flow at mediawiki.org

2015-03-17 Thread Kevin Wayne Williams
Nick Wilson (Quiddity) schreef op 2015/03/16 om 19:03: On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: How about just converting those threads back to Wikitext, instead? That script already exists, I've seen it used on Mediawiki. Will it mess up the pages that have already

Re: [Wikitech-l] Starting conversion of LiquidThreads to Flow at mediawiki.org

2015-03-17 Thread Kevin Wayne Williams
Erik Moeller schreef op 2015/03/17 om 1:39: On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:21 PM, Kevin Wayne Williams kwwilli...@kwwilliams.com wrote: There doesn't seem to be any particular user demand to adopt Flow, so there's no reason to believe it will gain any more traction than LQT ever did

Re: [Wikitech-l] Starting conversion of LiquidThreads to Flow at mediawiki.org

2015-03-16 Thread Kevin Wayne Williams
Nick Wilson (Quiddity) schreef op 2015/03/16 om 17:51: LiquidThreads (LQT) has not been well-supported in a long time. Flow is in active development, and more real-world use-cases will help focus attention on the higher-priority features that are needed. To that end, LQT pages at mediawiki.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] Tor proxy with blinded tokens

2015-03-10 Thread Kevin Wayne Williams
Chris Steipp schreef op 2015/03/10 om 7:23: Jacob Applebaum made another remark about editing Wikipedia via tor this morning. Since it's been a couple months since the last tor bashing thread, I wanted to throw out a slightly more modest proposal to see what people think. The easiest way to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Tor proxy with blinded tokens

2015-03-10 Thread Kevin Wayne Williams
Chris Steipp schreef op 2015/03/10 om 9:00: On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 7:45 AM, Kevin Wayne Williams kwwilli...@kwwilliams.com wrote: Chris Steipp schreef op 2015/03/10 om 7:23: Jacob Applebaum made another remark about editing Wikipedia via tor this morning. Since it's been a couple months

Re: [Wikitech-l] Stance on Social Media

2015-01-09 Thread Kevin Wayne Williams
Max Semenik schreef op 2015/01/09 om 16:41: On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Kevin Wayne Williams kwwilli...@kwwilliams.com wrote: Not sure where to reply to a top-post to a bottom posted thread, so I will shoot for the middle and hope people can keep track of this knot. Your counterexample

Re: [Wikitech-l] Stance on Social Media

2015-01-09 Thread Kevin Wayne Williams
Brian Wolff schreef op 2015/01/09 om 15:17: I think its important to separate two types of social media interaction: *allowing people to post their favourite article (share this links) *meta level interaction (stuff about the community) Nobody objects to the second afaik. The first is like

Re: [Wikitech-l] Stance on Social Media

2015-01-09 Thread Kevin Wayne Williams
of inexperienced editors and we wind up semi-protecting the article to keep them from damaging it. KWW On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Kevin Wayne Williams kwwilli...@kwwilliams.com wrote: Brian Wolff schreef op 2015/01/09 om 15:17: I think its important to separate two types of social

Re: [Wikitech-l] changing edit summaries

2014-11-13 Thread Kevin Wayne Williams
Derric Atzrott schreef op 2014/11/13 8:42: Indeed - I am somewhat surprised by James's firm opposition. I tend to agree with James on this one in that if the edit summaries are to be modified then they need a revision history. I don't know if they need an edit history per se. A log of

Re: [Wikitech-l] changing edit summaries

2014-11-13 Thread Kevin Wayne Williams
Jon Robson schreef op 2014/11/13 10:59: I think this is a great idea and has always baffled me that you can't. I'm also a little confused by James comment. Maintaining an edit history of edit summaries seems overkill. As I understand it edit summaries are for aiding other editors. If we are

Re: [Wikitech-l] Revision metadata as a service?

2014-11-09 Thread Kevin Wayne Williams
Jeroen De Dauw schreef op 2014/11/09 0:29: Hey, I suspect it isn't done because it isn't a very good way to modify a complex embedded base of software, Lila. Generally, when modifying a complex embedded base, one designs first, iterates implementation and internal testing, and then releases a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Revision metadata as a service?

2014-11-08 Thread Kevin Wayne Williams
I suspect it isn't done because it isn't a very good way to modify a complex embedded base of software, Lila. Generally, when modifying a complex embedded base, one designs first, iterates implementation and internal testing, and then releases a relatively complete piece of functionality.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Tor and Anonymous Users (I know, we've had this discussion a million times)

2014-10-02 Thread Kevin Wayne Williams
Bryan Davis schreef op 2014/10/02 8:46: On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 11:27 PM, Kevin Wayne Williams kwwilli...@kwwilliams.com wrote: Focusing on what signature we can obtain from (or plant on) the device and how to make that signature available to and manageable by admins is the key. I used to do

Re: [Wikitech-l] Tor and Anonymous Users (I know, we've had this discussion a million times)

2014-10-02 Thread Kevin Wayne Williams
Marc A. Pelletier schreef op 2014/10/02 18:39: On 10/02/2014 09:07 PM, Kevin Wayne Williams wrote: Anybody that risks death by editing Wikipedia is an idiot: no privacy system is secure enough and no information is important enough to make that a reasonable decision. I wouldn't have put

Re: [Wikitech-l] Tor and Anonymous Users (I know, we've had this discussion a million times)

2014-10-01 Thread Kevin Wayne Williams
Derric Atzrott schreef op 2014/09/30 6:08: Hello everyone, [snip] There must be a way that we can allow users to work from Tor. [snip more] I think the first step is to work harder to block devices, not IP addresses. One jerk with a cell phone cycles through so many IP addresses so quickly in

Re: [Wikitech-l] Is simplicity is the key to success of Echo and Watchlist?

2014-09-02 Thread Kevin Wayne Williams
Ryan Kaldari schreef op 2014/09/01 22:59: - *it* *doesn't* *scale* (constantly seeing a (3) or new emails pop up if you're active in ~6 discussions is a pain) OK, so how do you suggest changing it? - _nothing_ on-wiki ever warrants an urgent reaction ever All the community members who