Re: [Wikitech-l] editing channels - How was this edit made?

2012-11-19 Thread jidanni
You n*rds are 100 years behind Facebook, who already shows Yesterday via email About an hour ago via mobile 59 minutes ago near Tsoying, Kao-hsiung 24 minutes ago via POCO Beautycamera Throw in the towel. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

Re: [Wikitech-l] Preparing concise, readable release notes for 1.21

2012-11-14 Thread jidanni
Another problem is we people doing oh, say monthly updates from git, and hoping to get a summary of what to be aware of. The best I can do currently is git fetch origin git diff master..origin/master \ RELEASE-NOTES-*| tee /tmp/gitdiff$$|wdiff -d -3

Re: [Wikitech-l] my $wgHooks['SkinTemplateNavigation'] broke again

2012-10-10 Thread jidanni
I don't want to change link colors. I want to remove links. This used to work up until a month ago. Please tell me what I need to do to make it work again. Please. function JidanniLessUselessNavigation($sktemplate,$links){ foreach($links['namespaces'] as $ns=$value){

Re: [Wikitech-l] my $wgHooks['SkinTemplateNavigation'] broke again

2012-10-10 Thread jidanni
It turns out the ($sktemplate,$links) which worked a month ago, now needs to be ($sktemplate,$links)! ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] my $wgHooks['SkinTemplateNavigation'] broke again

2012-10-10 Thread jidanni
DF == Daniel Friesen dan...@nadir-seen-fire.com writes: DF obviously $links needs a . This should have never worked in the DF first place without that. How do you expect to modify the links when DF you're dealing with a copy? I don't know but it indeed did until about a month ago. That's what's

Re: [Wikitech-l] my $wgHooks['SkinTemplateNavigation'] broke again

2012-10-02 Thread jidanni
I would be happy to use CSS, just tell me how to rewrite the final function of $wgNamespaceProtection[NS_CATEGORY]=$wgNamespaceProtection[NS_CATEGORY_TALK]=array('editinterface'); function JidanniBlueLinkCategoryPages($linker,$target,$text,$customAttribs,$query,$options){

[Wikitech-l] my $wgHooks['SkinTemplateNavigation'] broke again

2012-10-01 Thread jidanni
Something changed this month in git making this not work anymore, function JidanniLessRedNavigation($sktemplate,$links){ foreach($links['namespaces'] as $ns=$value){ if($value['context']=='talk' $value['class']=='new' !$sktemplate-getTitle()-quickUserCan('createtalk')){

Re: [Wikitech-l] Take a lesson from dreamhoststatus.com

2012-07-10 Thread jidanni
TM http://status.wikimedia.org/ No mention of the word wikipedia on it. Mention it at least in some H2 section etc. No link to it in the footer of http://en.wikipedia.org/ etc. pages. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] overprinting wikipedia table

2012-07-10 Thread jidanni
OK I left them a note, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_family#Bad_formatting . ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

[Wikitech-l] overprinting wikipedia table

2012-07-08 Thread jidanni
The table on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_family#See_also overprints itself even with CTRL+0 zoom, not to mention what happens when one hits CTRL+. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

[Wikitech-l] Take a lesson from dreamhoststatus.com

2012-07-05 Thread jidanni
On http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Main_Page there is a link to Current status which doesn't show what is currently causing Wikipedia to be down. I suggest you take a lesson from http://www.dreamhost.com/ adding a separate http://www.dreamhoststatus.com/ and make lots of links to it...

Re: [Wikitech-l] Facebook grabs the Mediawiki logo instead of the site logo

2012-06-24 Thread jidanni
OK, this extract works for 1.20 function JidanniOpenGraphMetaPageHook($out,$sk){global $wgLogo; $out-addHeadItem(meta:property:og:image, Html::element('meta',array('property'='og:image','content'=wfExpandUrl($wgLogo))).\n);return true;} $wgHooks['BeforePageDisplay'][] =

Re: [Wikitech-l] Facebook grabs the Mediawiki logo instead of the site logo

2012-06-19 Thread jidanni
OK, meta property=og:image content=$wgLogo / is what I need to add to the header of each page, as my site has no images at all except for the logo. I use the latest git version of MediaWiki. In OutputPage.php we see function addMeta( $name, $val ) { array_push(

[Wikitech-l] maybe just visiting one will be enough to keep me notified about the rest?

2012-06-18 Thread jidanni
I got four mails page Manual:RemoveUnusedAccounts.php has been changed by Sumanah page Manual:LocalSettings.php has been changed by KrenairBot page Manual:Edit.php has been changed by KrenairBot page Manual:GetText.php has been changed by KrenairBot each says There will be no other

Re: [Wikitech-l] Facebook grabs the Mediawiki logo instead of the site logo

2012-06-06 Thread jidanni
But both my page and the Wikipedia page both have only the site logo, and 'powered by' footer icons. How does Facebook know not to mistakenly show a 'powered by' icon for Wikipedia but not my site? Unfair! ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

[Wikitech-l] Facebook grabs the Mediawiki logo instead of the site logo

2012-06-04 Thread jidanni
Here Facebook grabs the Mediawiki logo instead of the site logo. http://www.facebook.com/groups/tg.taiwan/permalink/374509135949001/?comment_id=374537129279535offset=0total_comments=1 Doing the same experiment with e.g., http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_clan_chief , a page also without any user

[Wikitech-l] how to remove the Permanent link of Toolbox?

2012-05-14 Thread jidanni
What is the new way in LocalSettings.php to remove the Permanent link of the Toolbox on every page? My old way stopped working upon git upgrade. Last week some people posted some untested answers that did not work. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

[Wikitech-l] my SkinTemplateBuildNavUrlsNav_urlsAfterPermalink no longer works when logged out

2012-05-08 Thread jidanni
Dear Sirs, my function JidanniLessSkinMess($sktemplate,$nav_urls){$nav_urls['permalink']=$nav_urls['print']=false;return true;} $wgHooks['SkinTemplateBuildNavUrlsNav_urlsAfterPermalink'][]='JidanniLessSkinMess'; no longer works when the user is logged out. What other of my

Re: [Wikitech-l] my SkinTemplateBuildNavUrlsNav_urlsAfterPermalink no longer works when logged out

2012-05-08 Thread jidanni
No I'm sorry, even if I add the missing apostrophe, that is not enough to zap the permalink and print links from the bottom of each page. In the source one even finds // Use the copy of revision ID in case this undocumented, shady hook tries to mess with internals So it is one big mishmash.

Re: [Wikitech-l] my SkinTemplateBuildNavUrlsNav_urlsAfterPermalink no longer works when logged out

2012-05-08 Thread jidanni
DF == Daniel Friesen li...@nadir-seen-fire.com writes: DF Apostraphe? WTF are you talking about? $wgHooks[BaseTemplateToolbox'][]='JidanniLessSkinMess'; ^ Anyway I am afraid what you gave me does not zap the links. Could you test it please? Thanks.

Re: [Wikitech-l] my SkinTemplateBuildNavUrlsNav_urlsAfterPermalink no longer works when logged out

2012-05-08 Thread jidanni
BH == Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org writes: BH Uh, try: BH $wgHooks['BaseTemplateToolbox'][]='JidanniLessSkinMess'; Yes Brandon, I tried that. None of this zaps the two links for logged out users. ___

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedia Spam

2012-04-23 Thread jidanni
Here you go dudes, | Return-Path: m...@inanir.com | X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0-r1197259-1907 (2011-11-03) on | ps11007.dreamhostps.com | X-Spam-Flag: YES | X-Spam-Level: *** | X-Spam-Report: | * 1.8 URIBL_BLACK Contains an URL listed in the URIBL blacklist |

Re: [Wikitech-l] putenv(TZ) hack in LocalSettings.php now gives warnings

2012-03-28 Thread jidanni
Hey Jidanni, you can just eliminate your whole date_default_timezone_set($wgLocaltimezone); putenv(TZ=$wgLocaltimezone);$wgLocalTZoffset=date('Z')/60; line. It's already taken care of for you in includes/Setup.php ! You don't even need to reinstall Mediawiki just to find out how they do

[Wikitech-l] I don't want a full git clone, I just want an rsync(1) style diet git clone

2012-03-27 Thread jidanni
Gentlemen, I am very thankful for http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download_from_Git however it assumes one wants to 'get involved' with MediaWiki, whereas all I want to do is 'rsync snapshots' of the same files 'that the tarballs contain'. I.e., I just want to oh, every few days update (overwrite in

Re: [Wikitech-l] I don't want a full git clone, I just want an rsync(1) style diet git clone

2012-03-27 Thread jidanni
OK, so you don't offer rsync. And the closest I can get to $ du -sh med* 17M mediawiki-1.18.2.tar.gz 72M mediawiki-1.18.2 is your 99M product, which I hope you could document on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download_from_Git Apparently it involves a --bare option. And how might one

Re: [Wikitech-l] I don't want a full git clone, I just want an rsync(1) style diet git clone

2012-03-27 Thread jidanni
C == Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com writes: C No. Most people don't want --bare anyway...they're likely C to get confused. So what do I want? ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] I don't want a full git clone, I just want an rsync(1) style diet git clone

2012-03-27 Thread jidanni
I know. I will use --depth 1 ! $ git clone --depth 1 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/p/mediawiki/core.git mediawiki Cloning into 'mediawiki'... error: RPC failed; result=22, HTTP code = 500 fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly $ git clone --depth 2

Re: [Wikitech-l] putenv(TZ) hack in LocalSettings.php now gives warnings

2012-03-20 Thread jidanni
OK I will try my best to keep up with your changes for i in RELEASE-NOTES-* includes/installer/LocalSettingsGenerator.php do echo $i diff: svn diff -r ${BASE-BASE}:HEAD $i|wdiff -d -3|tee /tmp/mediawikiDiff$$ done And also watchlist

[Wikitech-l] putenv(TZ) hack in LocalSettings.php now gives warnings

2012-03-19 Thread jidanni
Nowadays one gets: PHP Warning: date(): It is not safe to rely on the system's timezone settings. You are *required* to use the date.timezone setting or the date_default_timezone_set() function. In case you used any of those methods and you are still getting this warning, you most likely

Re: [Wikitech-l] putenv(TZ) hack in LocalSettings.php now gives warnings

2012-03-19 Thread jidanni
Gee, I hope none of my users will be affected... mysql select distinct up_value from user_properties where up_property = timecorrection; +--+ | up_value | +--+ | Offset|0 | | 08:00| | System|480

[Wikitech-l] reject edits that cause two links for the same language

2012-03-18 Thread jidanni
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diabetes_mellitus Languages * 中文 * Afrikaans * አማርኛ * العربية ... * 粵語 * Žemaitėška * 中文 The first and last are the same. The first is a link to a template. Maybe there should be some error detection system put in place to reject edits that cause two

Re: [Wikitech-l] reject edits that cause two links for the same language

2012-03-18 Thread jidanni
Well OK, but in no case could Languages * 中文 * 中文 be legitimate. We observer the illegal ones float to the very top of the list to boot. At least they could be made a different color. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] reject edits that cause two links for the same language

2012-03-18 Thread jidanni
Ah, all along the seemingly consistent order of available languages on the bottom of each page depends on hand sorting them in the source of each page. Let's imagine it is the year 2050 and each article has been translated into each language. A simple misplaced language would e.g., cause ZH

Re: [Wikitech-l] reject edits that cause two links for the same language

2012-03-18 Thread jidanni
S == Svip svi...@gmail.com writes: S On 19 March 2012 03:47, jida...@jidanni.org wrote: Well OK, but in no case could Languages * 中文 * 中文 be legitimate. S I disagree. There are plenty of examples where an English article S (for instance) is covered in two or more languages in another S

Re: [Wikitech-l] Please preload a space in the page for the banner

2012-03-14 Thread jidanni
H == Helder helder.w...@gmail.com writes: A Wikipedia page loads. The last thing to load is the banner. This pushes the page content down. If you've clicked on a link near the top of the page, the banner grabs it instead. And also further down the page, we aim for link 32, and as our finger

Re: [Wikitech-l] [ANN] MediaWiki Short URL Builder configuration tool

2012-02-27 Thread jidanni
If short URLs were so good, then one wouldn't need an 'after market' treatment to add them. I'll wait. Plus, I might know how to maintain them now, but five years later will I still know? I'm not getting any younger. Plus, what about all that spam in my mailbox about increasing the length of my

Re: [Wikitech-l] [ANN] MediaWiki Short URL Builder configuration tool

2012-02-27 Thread jidanni
Actually if you put it in the installer you are making a commitment to handhold them through thick and thin, though better and worse, till the death of their wiki do we part. I do (NOT!). C == Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com writes: Plus, I might know how to maintain them now, but five years

Re: [Wikitech-l] [ANN] MediaWiki Short URL Builder configuration tool

2012-02-24 Thread jidanni
http://shorturls.redwerks.org/ should link to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL#Advantages_.26_disadvantages . for a balanced view. I'll stick with my long URLs. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] Git migration - instructions for Sysops

2012-02-22 Thread jidanni
C == Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com writes: C Yes, we do plan to leave SVN up in read-only form for quite some C time after the changeover. Be aware that once we switch, changes C won't be merged back into the SVN. OK, my plan then is to do my weekly 'svn update's until I notice one day they

[Wikitech-l] Git migration - instructions for Sysops

2012-02-15 Thread jidanni
Folks, the switchover documentation is all aimed at savvy read-write developers. We drones who just use SVN as a simple yet risky way to keep our live version of MediaWiki fresh need instructions on how to: * install git (OK, apt-get install git etc.) * convert our maintenance scripts to use git

Re: [Wikitech-l] Git migration - instructions for Sysops

2012-02-15 Thread jidanni
DF == Daniel Friesen li...@nadir-seen-fire.com writes: DF Though double checking. It looks like rather than asking how to clone DF the git repo. He's asking how to convert a svn based checkout to a git DF checkout. Yes, and then there's the issue of if LocalSettings.php can survive unscathed

[Wikitech-l] how did spammers spam only some pretty links?

2012-01-23 Thread jidanni
How did the spammers manage to spam only the third file? 17097 http://mapki.com/wiki/Main_Page 17097 http://mapki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Main_Page 11985 http://mapki.com/wiki/Google_Map_Parameters 39100 http://mapki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Google_Map_Parameters I have almost given up

Re: [Wikitech-l] Text browser users won't see your important site notice

2012-01-18 Thread jidanni
Ha, the blackout is a javascript powered blackout. No reason to bother text browser users, they won't notice the disruption in the first place! Please don't remove $wgSiteNotice from Mediawiki. It's the only way we http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family administrators can with one edit

Re: [Wikitech-l] Text browser users won't see your important site notice

2012-01-18 Thread jidanni
RK == Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org writes: RK I'm curious what the current demographic/usage cases for text browsers I use emacs-w3m, keeps my computer gunk-free, and shows me what an article might look like if I use plucker to pluck it to my Palm M505. Only if an article looks bad in

Re: [Wikitech-l] Congratulations and thanks

2012-01-18 Thread jidanni
WAS == William Allen Simpson william.allen.simp...@gmail.com writes: WAS Text-only users will even see the big edit notice on the main page! Who stops by the Main Page these days? We text-only users just strangely couldn't find any Edit buttons yesterday.

[Wikitech-l] Text browser users won't see your important site notice

2012-01-17 Thread jidanni
Text browser users won't see you important site notice. Better use the $wg Site Notice variable... Indeed, text browser users heard the closing news on the radio. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

[Wikitech-l] enable setting language preference without requiring login

2012-01-11 Thread jidanni
Why can't MediaWiki do like all major sites' software, and allow setting the interface language without requiring the user to establish an account? Observe the bottom of e.g., http://www.facebook.com/ http://www.flickr.com/ http://www.youtube.com/ Each has a language selector that doesn't require

[Wikitech-l] wiki page has embedded 'code error'

2011-12-30 Thread jidanni
These things should be caught before the public sees them $ w3m -dump 'http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/王力_(语言学家)'|grep error 緝code error!(5人名中都有「心」字)。 $ w3m -dump 'http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/王力_(语言学家)?action=raw'|grep 人名中都有 )、[[王缉慈]](女)、[[王缉思]]、[[王缉憲|王缉-{zh-hans:憲;}-]](5人名中都有「 Maybe templates

Re: [Wikitech-l] Please preload a space in the page for the banner

2011-11-21 Thread jidanni
S == Strainu strain...@gmail.com writes: S Otherwise they will just go on the AdBlockPlus list. No wonder Wikipedia ads are so irritating (besides making babies cry), they are the only ads on the net one still sees these days,

Re: [Wikitech-l] two layers of a

2011-11-21 Thread jidanni
DF == Daniel Friesen li...@nadir-seen-fire.com writes: DF Mind telling us where you 'actually' got that source code Oops, I see it was all because of my http://jidanni.org/comp/configuration/.emacs-w3m (defun w3m-filter-unsupport-tags (url)... (while (re-search-forward span[^]+id=\\([^\r\t\n

Re: [Wikitech-l] Please preload a space in the page for the banner

2011-11-21 Thread jidanni
JB == Jeremy Baron jer...@tuxmachine.com writes: JB http://www.jwz.org/blog/2010/11/please-read-a-personal-appeal-to-wikipedia-founder-jimmy-wales/#comment-87364 Naw, http://www.jwz.org/blog/2010/11/please-read-a-personal-appeal-to-wikipedia-founder-jimmy-wales/#comment-87359 + [8861]

[Wikitech-l] update.php now makes lines that are twice as long as it used to

2011-11-21 Thread jidanni
update.php now makes lines that are twice as long as it used to. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32508 . In the past on lines that did nothing, only half the message would be printed. Now the user is getting overloaded with long messages about items even when nothing in the database

[Wikitech-l] two layers of a

2011-11-19 Thread jidanni
Why the two layers of a even if it passes $ validate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oaxtepec *** Errors validating Oaxtepec: *** Error at line 2, character 33: there is no attribute class Error at line 152, character 10: end tag for ul which is not finished Error at line 177, character 10: end

Re: [Wikitech-l] new external store databases deployed - followup questions

2011-11-18 Thread jidanni
1) use central notice.  This would certainly have the effect of alerting all Except if they are using HTML-only browsers... ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

[Wikitech-l] those Jimbo pics are scaring me

2011-11-17 Thread jidanni
Is there anyway to turn off those Jimbo pics every time I check something in Wikipedia... I use many different public terminal browsers so won't be logged in. Yes there's the little box with the [X] but he has already looked at me. ___ Wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] those Jimbo pics are scaring me

2011-11-17 Thread jidanni
Why can't they sign somebody who doesn't scare children, like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pee-wee_Herman . Why does the best person for the campaign have to be the most logical person? Haven't they got any advertising sense? I bet Pee-wee would love to help. Why don't they give him a call?

[Wikitech-l] There will be no other notifications in case of further changes unless you visit this page.

2011-11-03 Thread jidanni
Does anybody else feel a pang of spite in There will be no other notifications in case of further changes unless you visit this page. especially when other software doesn't force the user to prove his loyalty each time like something from * Your World As I See It - Guilt

Re: [Wikitech-l] wikipedia lacks a share' button

2011-11-03 Thread jidanni
So 50% of users want a share button. That's plenty. Some features only need 5% to make them candidates for implementation. So one would hope it would get implemented one way or the other. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

[Wikitech-l] Search is central

2011-11-03 Thread jidanni
Search is central to the Wikipedia experience – both as a way of reaching the website as well as discovering content on Wikipedia. http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/10/26/search-and-wikipedia/ Alas, Search is not central for these lists, $ GET http://lists.wikimedia.org/robots.txt # robots.txt for

[Wikitech-l] wikipedia lacks a share' button

2011-10-20 Thread jidanni
Gentlemen, where is the Share button? All other sites have them by now, but on Wikipedia one cannot even find its definition in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Share . At least on ones account preferences there should be a way to activate sharing with the following websites ... causing a share

Re: [Wikitech-l] zh-tw still gives simplified Chinese in link titles on Facebook and Google

2011-10-19 Thread jidanni
MW == M Williamson node...@gmail.com writes: MW How sad that the first answer here is a Not our problem :-)!... OK so I created https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31838 but being blurry as to the details, others will have to fill them in for me there. Thanks!

Re: [Wikitech-l] zh-tw still gives simplified Chinese in link titles on Facebook and Google

2011-10-18 Thread jidanni
DF == Daniel Friesen li...@nadir-seen-fire.com writes: DF https://developers.facebook.com/bugs?search_view=searchsearch_statuses[0]=open This is a tool for developers of Platform apps reporting issues developing for Platform, and not for issues or feedback which are site-wide (including issues

Re: [Wikitech-l] zh-tw still gives simplified Chinese in link titles on Facebook and Google

2011-10-17 Thread jidanni
SL == Shen Lee sh...@google.com writes: SL Out of curiosity, what is the reasoning behind having... And it's making all my links look like a Communist propaganda session. Dear Wikipedia, please stop it. SL On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 9:33 PM, Liangent liang...@gmail.com wrote: You can ask Facebook

Re: [Wikitech-l] zh-tw still gives simplified Chinese in link titles on Facebook and Google

2011-10-17 Thread jidanni
DF == Daniel Friesen li...@nadir-seen-fire.com writes: DF So the bug here is in Facebook ignoring what the user inputed... Ah, the perfect case to test the effectiveness of DF https://developers.facebook.com/bugs?search_view=searchsearch_statuses[0]=open But why let me with my paltry

[Wikitech-l] zh-tw still gives simplified Chinese in link titles on Facebook and Google

2011-10-15 Thread jidanni
Gentlemen, no matter if in Google search results, or Facebook link previews, links that specifically have the zh-tw part in them http://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-tw/ ... still end up having simplified Chinese, despite no such simplified title appearing in the entire page. I suspect somehow the

Re: [Wikitech-l] pages jerk up and down every 10 seconds

2011-10-10 Thread jidanni
Indeed, next thing you know it will jerk the ones mouse pointer between a [ ]Permanently accept [ ]Permanently reject box just as one is clicking. DF == Daniel Friesen li...@nadir-seen-fire.com writes: DF ;) I think you underestimate text browsers. DF http://freshmeat.net/projects/links/ Did

Re: [Wikitech-l] pages jerk up and down every 10 seconds

2011-10-08 Thread jidanni
BL == Benjamin Lees emufarm...@gmail.com writes: BL Jidanni, are you using a text browser? That would probably explain BL the particular problem you're encountering. Can text browsers even see any javascript site notices? No. ___ Wikitech-l mailing

[Wikitech-l] pages jerk up and down every 10 seconds

2011-09-30 Thread jidanni
On some of the Wikipedia sites, there are some messages near the top of each page. These messages change every 10 or so seconds. The problem is the number of lines in each of the changing messages is not the same. This causes the entire page to jerk up and down the screen every 10 or so seconds.

[Wikitech-l] Google's cached pages are much faster than wiki*edia's

2011-09-30 Thread jidanni
Fellows, This is Google's cache of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devo. It is a snapshot of the page as it appeared on 28 Sep 2011 09:22:50 GMT. The current page could have changed in the meantime. Learn more ... Like why is it so much faster than the real thing? Even when not logged in.

Re: [Wikitech-l] pages jerk up and down every 10 seconds

2011-09-30 Thread jidanni
Login to http://zh.wikipedia.org/ and stare at the screen for a few seconds. Wait, it is probably due to me User:Jidanni being a member of some club. Anyway, there is no way for a normal user to file a proper bug report about it, as it is all hidden in javascript that he does not see. I'll contact

[Wikitech-l] singer dead when viewed with text browser

2011-09-20 Thread jidanni
Gentlemen, it is with my Text Browser™ that I have determined a popular music star is dead. $ w3m -dump http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavor_Flav | grep -i death Date of death December 17, 2010 Place of death 1. Either bring him back to life, not just for Regular Browsers™, or 2. Add a place

[Wikitech-l] Recommended for modern browsers

2011-09-03 Thread jidanni
In http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#preftab-1 Math Always render PNG HTML if very simple or else PNG HTML if possible or else PNG Leave it as TeX (for text browsers) Recommended for modern browsers MathML if possible (experimental) Well gosh why don't they say what is

[Wikitech-l] don't maintain a separate sidebar language

2011-08-30 Thread jidanni
Isn't there some way to use standard wikitext to achieve the same rendered result as $ GET http://abj.jidanni.org/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sidebaraction=raw * navigation ** mainpage|mainpage-description ** Special:NewPages|newpages ** Special:Categories|categories **

Re: [Wikitech-l] RFC: Geo RSS for recent changes

2011-08-30 Thread jidanni
BV == Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com writes: BV I'm not sure how actually useful it would be though; the raw RSS feeds are BV pretty poor anyway as the number of items available in say RecentChanges is BV tiny compared to the edit rates, and the location of things whose articles BV are being edited

Re: [Wikitech-l] Removing * {{msg}} support from MediaWiki:Sidebar

2011-08-28 Thread jidanni
Why don't you guys just make MediaWiki:Sidebar just be (interpreted as) a standard wikitext file. OK, call it MediaWiki:SidebarII or MediaWiki:Snidebar etc., which if exists will be used instead of MediaWiki:Sidebar. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

Re: [Wikitech-l] Removing * {{msg}} support from MediaWiki:Sidebar

2011-08-28 Thread jidanni
C == Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com writes: C Why on earth would we call it the snidebar? OK, spudbar. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Asking for notes on a MediaWiki:Sidebar replacement

2011-08-22 Thread jidanni
DF == Daniel Friesen li...@nadir-seen-fire.com writes: DF For something like this where users are going to want to be able to drag DF and reorganize things do we have to do this in a slow way that works DF without JS? Yes you do. You need to offer an alternate way for one to configure their many

Re: [Wikitech-l] Asking for notes on a MediaWiki:Sidebar replacement

2011-08-22 Thread jidanni
Well whatever you do, make sure I can still use something similar to some maintenance/*.php command to update something similar to MediaWiki:Sidebar to several machines. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

[Wikitech-l] why not just use Google™ Static Maps?

2011-08-20 Thread jidanni
Gentlemen, you know all those quaint location maps on Wikipedia? Well, I spent a large amount of my remaining brain cells just for you, and came up with a suggestion, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Location_map#Why_no_just_use_Google.E2.84.A2_Static_Maps.3F

[Wikitech-l] Firefox webdeveloper reveals errors

2011-08-15 Thread jidanni
In Firefox I seem to have this https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/mozilla/webdeveloper/ installed, and browsing my vanilla MediaWiki site, its console showed me some errors... GET http://transgender-taiwan.org/index.php?title=%E9%A6%96%E9%A0%81 [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 1573ms] GET

[Wikitech-l] all those zeros in tables in text brosers

2011-07-08 Thread jidanni
I don't see why Wikipedia looks 99% fabulous in lynx and w3m, but blows it on such a simple thing like dates in tables, $ lynx -dump http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_social_networking_websites Please note the list is not exhaustive, and is limited to notable, well-known sites. Name

Re: [Wikitech-l] all those zeros in tables in text brosers

2011-07-08 Thread jidanni
C == Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com writes: C What tools would you propose? Can you find me one site on the Internet that butchers dates so 2011 becomes 02011 in text browsers? Yes I filed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Dts#text_browsers . The next thing you know you'll be rendering

Re: [Wikitech-l] wiki markup lacks HTML precision anchors

2011-07-08 Thread jidanni
C == Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com writes: C And span id=bla doesn't work why? And indeed, there it is, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:HTML_in_wikitext#Using_.3Cspan.3E_as_a_link_target The first time I've ever been wrong about anything here. ___

Re: [Wikitech-l] Welcoming Ian Baker

2011-07-08 Thread jidanni
Fire Performer? Aerial Acrobatics? Ho hum. Another boring hiring announcement. Why can't they write them like http://www.dreamhost.com/newsletter/0711.html#a1 ? ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

[Wikitech-l] wiki markup lacks HTML precision anchors

2011-07-06 Thread jidanni
While I would not list the Mediawiki language as a 'crap' language, I still think it is regretful that one cannot achieve the precision of an HTML a name=bla anchor, to say, make a link to a spot anywhere within a page, whereas with the Mediawiki language, the best one can do is link to the top of

Re: [Wikitech-l] should we join the Unicode Constortium?

2011-06-27 Thread jidanni
AG == Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com writes: AG It looks like it would cost $7,900 a year in dues I think that would set a bad precedent for the way you fellows spend your money. Next thing you know people will say you joined A, now why don't you join B, even more worthy, etc. P.S.,

[Wikitech-l] Special:Search goose chase

2011-06-18 Thread jidanni
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=Aomiz+Sucharat says Did you mean: Aomiz Suchart so we click it, and then we are asked Did you mean: Aziz Suharto Having been used to Google™, one feels a little like goose chase. ___ Wikitech-l mailing

[Wikitech-l] RELEASE-NOTES renaming vs. svn diff

2011-05-23 Thread jidanni
My script to show me the diffs, svn diff -r BASE:HEAD RELEASE-NOTES|wdiff -d -3 I suppose will now have to be for i in $(ls -r RELEASE-NOTES-*|sed 2q) do echo $i diff: svn diff -r BASE:HEAD $i|wdiff -d -3 done in order to not have to be

Re: [Wikitech-l] search=steven+tyler gets Steven_tyler

2011-05-14 Thread jidanni
OK, then why can't http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_tyler just do a browser redirect to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Tyler As the URL you leave in the user's browser location bar is the one he will tell all his friends to use. You can't expect him to be smart enough to dig the canonical

[Wikitech-l] search=steven+tyler gets Steven_tyler

2011-05-12 Thread jidanni
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=steven+tyler gets http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_tyler wouldn't be better to directly get http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Tyler even though one could say they are the same page? ___

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Supported Browser List

2011-05-10 Thread jidanni
KP == K Peachey p858sn...@gmail.com writes: KP On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Andrew Garrett agarr...@wikimedia.org wrote: What does this mean? KP i believe that might a comment regarding tables having a border KP defined in html or not. Actually it was a test to see if any of you recognize

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Supported Browser List

2011-05-06 Thread jidanni
$ w3m -dump http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annette_Bening |egrep -i thethe\|start|head -n 4 J. Steven White (m. 1984–1991) «start: (1984)–end+1: (1992)» Warren Beatty (m. 1992–present) «start: (1992)»Marriage: Warren 1988 TheThe Great Kate Craig Grifters, TheThe

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Supported Browser List

2011-04-29 Thread jidanni
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Compatibility#CSS MediaWiki is compatible with user agents which do not process CSS3 markup. Some additional features are available to browsers which can process these styles. I.e., tough luck for browsers who can't.

[Wikitech-l] some diff lines appear not to be different

2011-04-28 Thread jidanni
It doesn't seem clear to the user just what changed on many lines of http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Allen_Swiftaction=historysubmitdiff=426037925oldid=426037103 E.g.,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Undefined property: SkinVector::$mTitle

2011-04-06 Thread jidanni
All this now needs to be revised too. function JidanniDontInviteEdit($article,$outputDone){if($article-getID()===0){ switch($article-mTitle-getNamespace()){case NS_CATEGORY:case NS_CATEGORY_TALK:$outputDone=true;}}return true;} $wgHooks['ArticleViewHeader'][]='JidanniDontInviteEdit';//Bug

[Wikitech-l] svn: Failed to add directory 'config': an unversioned directory of the same name already exists

2011-04-01 Thread jidanni
Dear fellow SVN users, if you encounter $ svn update ... svn: Failed to add directory 'config': an unversioned directory of the same name already exists Then you had better move that directory and all its contents elsewhere, and do svn update again, to avoid a half updated wiki.

Re: [Wikitech-l] stop changing the whitespace in RELEASE-NOTES please

2011-02-22 Thread jidanni
AG == Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com writes: AG I think we should encourage people to run trunk in production *if*... All I know is doing svn update php update.php is a lot easier than any other way of updating. ___ Wikitech-l mailing

[Wikitech-l] are you sure you want everything via HTTPS?

2011-02-15 Thread jidanni
Is that how Facebook™ or Google™ operate, sending every single component via HTTPS? No. Only the vital personal settings, password stuff is done that way. As for not letting people know what pages you are browsing, well, I don't now. Does Google™ offer a way to not let wiretapping people know

Re: [Wikitech-l] secure.wikimedia.org commons sockpuppet site

2011-02-15 Thread jidanni
When you finally retire https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/... etc. etc. Have them HTTP 301 permanently redirect to https://commons.wikimedia.org/... etc. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] How users without programming skills can help

2011-02-15 Thread jidanni
BV == Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com writes: BV Bugzilla actually ships with a default robots.txt that denies everything, we BV just never removed it. :) Time to do the same for these lists. (Psst, news.tcx.org.uk is now publishing them too, one more nail in the coffin of security via obscurity.)

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