Re: [Wikitech-l] Help us test the VisualEditor prototype

2011-12-15 Thread Alex Brollo
I'm far from being enough skilled to understand the whole stuff. Working as hardly as I can into wikisource, I found that the most useful tools are js scripts like RegexMenuFramework by Pathoschild, t.i. a container for personal, highly customizable js scripts to work on wikitext (fixing scannos,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Help us test the VisualEditor prototype

2011-12-14 Thread Gabriel Wicke
Very impressive. But I've seen no handling of template/preprocessor syntax? I thought I had seen beginnings in that field around those Future/Parser pages in the wiki, but does it work? The current tokenizer handles template syntax well, but template expansion is work in progress. Doing the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Help us test the VisualEditor prototype

2011-12-14 Thread Daniel Barrett
Thomas Dalton writes: The challenge is having pages that can be edited both by wysiwyg and in wikitext without the two tripping over each other. To address this, I think any visual editor project needs to decide which audience it's serving: - The average user - The average user AND power users

Re: [Wikitech-l] Help us test the VisualEditor prototype

2011-12-14 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Dec 14, 2011 3:16 PM, Daniel Barrett d...@vistaprint.com wrote: Thomas Dalton writes: The challenge is having pages that can be edited both by wysiwyg and in wikitext without the two tripping over each other. To address this, I think any visual editor project needs to decide which

Re: [Wikitech-l] Help us test the VisualEditor prototype

2011-12-14 Thread Thomas Morton
The issue is that, even if power users don't use the new interface they still need to be able to use the old one to edit the same articles. If the wikitext created by the visual editor is unnecessarily complicated and unreadable (like the html produced by ms frontpage, for instance) then

Re: [Wikitech-l] Help us test the VisualEditor prototype

2011-12-14 Thread Daniel Barrett
Thomas Dalton wrote: even if power users don't use the new interface they still need to be able to use the old one to edit the same articles. If the wikitext created by the visual editor is unnecessarily complicated and unreadable (like the html produced by ms frontpage, for instance) then there

[Wikitech-l] Help us test the VisualEditor prototype

2011-12-13 Thread Neil Kandalgaonkar
Here's the demo, where you can edit some canned texts (but not actual Wikipedia articles, yet): http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:VisualEditorSandbox Post bugs here: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=MediaWiki%20extensionscomponent=VisualEditor And here's the blog

Re: [Wikitech-l] Help us test the VisualEditor prototype

2011-12-13 Thread Alolita Sharma
Awesome work - Trevor, Inez, Neil! Thanks to Brion, Gabriel and Roan for all your work behind the scenes! Look forward to everyone's feedback and bug reports to help us improve the functionality. -Alolita On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Neil Kandalgaonkar ne...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Here's the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Help us test the VisualEditor prototype

2011-12-13 Thread Bergi
Neil Kandalgaonkar schrieb: Here's the demo, where you can edit some canned texts (but not actual Wikipedia articles, yet): http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:VisualEditorSandbox Hey MediaWiki developers, surely you're not going to let Trevor and Inez have *all* the fun? Very

Re: [Wikitech-l] Help us test the VisualEditor prototype

2011-12-13 Thread MZMcBride
Bergi wrote: Neil Kandalgaonkar schrieb: Here's the demo, where you can edit some canned texts (but not actual Wikipedia articles, yet): http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:VisualEditorSandbox Hey MediaWiki developers, surely you're not going to let Trevor and Inez have *all* the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Help us test the VisualEditor prototype

2011-12-13 Thread Magnus Manske
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 10:28 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Bergi wrote: Neil Kandalgaonkar schrieb: Here's the demo, where you can edit some canned texts (but not actual Wikipedia articles, yet):     http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:VisualEditorSandbox Hey MediaWiki

Re: [Wikitech-l] Help us test the VisualEditor prototype

2011-12-13 Thread Helder
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 20:28, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: It may make sense to have a list of known limitations somewhere to avoid duplicate bugs/issue reports. The following list may help with that: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?component=VisualEditor

Re: [Wikitech-l] Help us test the VisualEditor prototype

2011-12-13 Thread Olivier Beaton
Cool editor! Do you support collaboration via something like http://code.google.com/p/google-mobwrite/ ? In any event, great work, hope it sees the light of day. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] Help us test the VisualEditor prototype

2011-12-13 Thread Rusty Burchfield
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Neil Kandalgaonkar ne...@wikimedia.org wrote: Here's the demo, where you can edit some canned texts (but not actual Wikipedia articles, yet):   http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:VisualEditorSandbox This looks really cool. :-) What browsers/versions are

Re: [Wikitech-l] Help us test the VisualEditor prototype

2011-12-13 Thread Erik Moeller
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Rusty Burchfield gicodewarr...@gmail.com wrote: Out of curiosity, what is making the (un)toggle operations on the right take so long? From http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Visual_editor/Feedback#Fantastic.21_A_few_points. : Oddly, I don't see this with Firefox,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Help us test the VisualEditor prototype

2011-12-13 Thread Roan Kattouw
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:34 AM, Rusty Burchfield gicodewarr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Neil Kandalgaonkar ne...@wikimedia.org wrote: Here's the demo, where you can edit some canned texts (but not actual Wikipedia articles, yet):  

Re: [Wikitech-l] Help us test the VisualEditor prototype

2011-12-13 Thread Neil Kandalgaonkar
On 12/13/11 4:33 PM, Olivier Beaton wrote: Cool editor! Do you support collaboration via something like http://code.google.com/p/google-mobwrite/ ? In any event, great work, hope it sees the light of day. We've done experiments with collaboration. We have no official mandate to do a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Help us test the VisualEditor prototype

2011-12-13 Thread Neil Harris
On 13/12/11 21:27, Neil Kandalgaonkar wrote: Here's the demo, where you can edit some canned texts (but not actual Wikipedia articles, yet): http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:VisualEditorSandbox Post bugs here:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Help us test the VisualEditor prototype

2011-12-13 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Neil Harris n...@tonal.clara.co.uk On 13/12/11 21:27, Neil Kandalgaonkar wrote: That is really cool; at long last, the WYSIWYG editor is not just on its way, but looking really good! Once the wikitext parser (which is, of course, the hard part) is ready

Re: [Wikitech-l] Help us test the VisualEditor prototype

2011-12-13 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 14 December 2011 02:57, Neil Harris n...@tonal.clara.co.uk wrote: Once the wikitext parser (which is, of course, the hard part) is ready to be bolted in, that should give a big improvement in Wikipedia's accessibility for new editors -- almost everyone knows how to use a word processor. As

Re: [Wikitech-l] Help us test the VisualEditor prototype

2011-12-13 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, While testing the visual editor I changed my language in my preferences to Tamil and it insist on the Latin script for entering text. When it does allow for other scripts I will be very happy to open the floodgates of Indic language users for you :) . I am sure that they will be more eager