Re: [Wikitech-l] Memento Extension for MediaWiki: Advice on Further Development

2013-11-15 Thread Shawn Jones
] on behalf of Dan Garry [dga...@wikimedia.org] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 5:47 PM To: Wikimedia developers Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Memento Extension for MediaWiki: Advice on Further Development Hi Shawn, Thanks for starting this discussion! Other than the suggestions that've been provided

Re: [Wikitech-l] Memento Extension for MediaWiki: Advice on Further Development

2013-11-15 Thread Shawn Jones
[bawo...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 6:43 PM To: Wikimedia developers Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Memento Extension for MediaWiki: Advice on Further Development Hi, I responded inline. On 11/1/13, Shawn Jones sj...@cs.odu.edu wrote: Hi, I'm currently working on the Memento

Re: [Wikitech-l] Memento Extension for MediaWiki: Advice on Further Development

2013-11-11 Thread Dan Garry
Hi Shawn, Thanks for starting this discussion! Other than the suggestions that've been provided, how are you looking for the WMF to help you with this extension? Our engineers are very limited on time, so it might be helpful to hear from you about how you'd like us to help. Thanks, Dan On 1

Re: [Wikitech-l] Memento Extension for MediaWiki: Advice on Further Development

2013-11-08 Thread Shawn Jones
To: Wikimedia developers Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Memento Extension for MediaWiki: Advice on Further Development On 2013-11-02 11:53 AM, Shawn Jones wrote: That makes me feel a little bit better about our dependencies. Since our rewrite, we only use $wgServer (via abstraction) in two places now

Re: [Wikitech-l] Memento Extension for MediaWiki: Advice on Further Development

2013-11-06 Thread Remco de Boer
Good! I'd like to run some tests on some of our data (we run several SMW instances). I will have to prepare a separate environment with the latest versions of MW and SMW and the Memento extension. Nothing too difficult, but it'll probably take some time. On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Herbert

Re: [Wikitech-l] Memento Extension for MediaWiki: Advice on Further Development

2013-11-04 Thread Brad Jorsch (Anomie)
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't looked at your code, so not sure about the context - but: In general a hook returns true to denote no futher processing should take place. If we're talking about wfRunHooks hooks, the usual case is that they return

Re: [Wikitech-l] Memento Extension for MediaWiki: Advice on Further Development

2013-11-04 Thread Brian Wolff
On 2013-11-04 11:04 AM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) bjor...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't looked at your code, so not sure about the context - but: In general a hook returns true to denote no futher processing should take

Re: [Wikitech-l] Memento Extension for MediaWiki: Advice on Further Development

2013-11-04 Thread Seb35
Le Sat, 02 Nov 2013 21:15:01 +0100, Shawn Jones sj...@cs.odu.edu a écrit : Seb35, I came across your extension a month ago. Ours is different in that it is also implementing the Memento protocol as used by the Internet Archive, Archive-It, and others. I do however, appreciate your

Re: [Wikitech-l] Memento Extension for MediaWiki: Advice on Further Development

2013-11-04 Thread Lee Worden
From: Brian Wolffbawo...@gmail.com On 2013-11-04 11:04 AM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie)bjor...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Brian Wolffbawo...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't looked at your code, so not sure about the context - but: In general a hook returns true to denote no

Re: [Wikitech-l] Memento Extension for MediaWiki: Advice on Further Development

2013-11-04 Thread Remco de Boer
Hi Shawn, I'm currently working on the Memento Extension for Mediawiki, as announced earlier today by Herbert Van de Sompel. This is very exciting! Coincidentally, at last week's SMWCon (the Semantic MediaWiki conference) in Berlin I gave a presentation to argue that we need some sort of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Memento Extension for MediaWiki: Advice on Further Development

2013-11-04 Thread Herbert Van de Sompel
On Nov 4, 2013, at 14:24, Remco de Boer remcocdeb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Shawn, I'm currently working on the Memento Extension for Mediawiki, as announced earlier today by Herbert Van de Sompel. This is very exciting! Coincidentally, at last week's SMWCon (the Semantic MediaWiki

Re: [Wikitech-l] Memento Extension for MediaWiki: Advice on Further Development

2013-11-02 Thread Shawn Jones
Thank you all very much for your timely responses. I'll be reviewing them today and will probably have more questions as time goes on. You've given us a lot to consider and discuss. --Shawn On Nov 1, 2013, at 7:33 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.commailto:innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On

Re: [Wikitech-l] Memento Extension for MediaWiki: Advice on Further Development

2013-11-02 Thread Shawn Jones
Thanks Brian, this is all good stuff. To avoid text overload, I, too have responded inline where I have more comments and questions. 2. We currently make several database calls using the the select method of the Database Object. After some research, we realized that Mediawiki provides

Re: [Wikitech-l] Memento Extension for MediaWiki: Advice on Further Development

2013-11-02 Thread Shawn Jones
Thanks Marcin for the response. I've provided comments and questions inline, where I have them. On Nov 1, 2013, at 6:51 PM, Marcin Cieslak sa...@saper.info wrote: Shawn Jones sj...@cs.odu.edu wrote: 1. The Memento protocol has a resource called a TimeMap [1] that takes an article name and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Memento Extension for MediaWiki: Advice on Further Development

2013-11-02 Thread Shawn Jones
Seb35, I came across your extension a month ago. Ours is different in that it is also implementing the Memento protocol as used by the Internet Archive, Archive-It, and others. I do however, appreciate your insight in trying to solve many of the same problems. I, too, was trying to address

Re: [Wikitech-l] Memento Extension for MediaWiki: Advice on Further Development

2013-11-02 Thread Daniel Friesen
On 2013-11-02 11:53 AM, Shawn Jones wrote: That makes me feel a little bit better about our dependencies. Since our rewrite, we only use $wgServer (via abstraction) in two places now, and they both involve the TimeMap SpecialPage. We actually have 3 different types of TimeMaps in the

[Wikitech-l] Memento Extension for MediaWiki: Advice on Further Development

2013-11-01 Thread Shawn Jones
Hi, I'm currently working on the Memento Extension for Mediawiki, as announced earlier today by Herbert Van de Sompel. The goal of this extension is to work with the Memento framework, which attempts to display web pages as they appeared at a given date and time in the past. Our goal is for

Re: [Wikitech-l] Memento Extension for MediaWiki: Advice on Further Development

2013-11-01 Thread Brian Wolff
Hi, I responded inline. On 11/1/13, Shawn Jones sj...@cs.odu.edu wrote: Hi, I'm currently working on the Memento Extension for Mediawiki, as announced earlier today by Herbert Van de Sompel. The goal of this extension is to work with the Memento framework, which attempts to display web

Re: [Wikitech-l] Memento Extension for MediaWiki: Advice on Further Development

2013-11-01 Thread Brian Wolff
On 11/1/13, Marcin Cieslak sa...@saper.info wrote: I'm not in a position to give you a full answer, but what I would do I would try to see if I can setup a MediaWiki with $wgInstantCommons = true and see how I can make ForeignAPIRepo to fetch older revisions from Wikimedia via API. Then we

Re: [Wikitech-l] Memento Extension for MediaWiki: Advice on Further Development

2013-11-01 Thread Chad
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I responded inline. On 11/1/13, Shawn Jones sj...@cs.odu.edu wrote: Hi, I'm currently working on the Memento Extension for Mediawiki, as announced earlier today by Herbert Van de Sompel. The goal of this

Re: [Wikitech-l] Memento Extension for MediaWiki: Advice on Further Development

2013-11-01 Thread Seb35
Hi, No responses to your specific questions, but just to mention I worked some years ago on an extension [1] aiming at retrieving the as-exact-as-possible display of the page at a given past datetime, because the current implementation of oldid is only past wikitext with current context