[Wikitech-l] On your python vs php talk

2013-07-28 Thread Виталий Филиппов
Hi! The question is a good base for a holy war :-) I want to say that PHP has some advantages Python will never have - it's very simple in deployment, there is no fuss with library versions, nearly all needed features are already built-in including a good SAPI (!) so you don't need wsgi, psgi

Re: [Wikitech-l] On your python vs php talk

2013-07-28 Thread Svip
On 28 July 2013 09:52, Виталий Филиппов vita...@yourcmc.ru wrote: Also for example I don't like python's strict typization ideas (for example it throws exception if you concatenate long and str using +). PHP is simple and has no such problems. Except, you know, that is not entirely true.

Re: [Wikitech-l] On your python vs php talk

2013-07-28 Thread vitalif
It's not bad design. It's bad only theoretically and just different from strongly-typed languages. I like its inconsistent function names - for a lot of functions they're similar to C and in most cases they're very easy to remember, as opposed to some other languages, including python (!!).

Re: [Wikitech-l] On your python vs php talk

2013-07-28 Thread Robert Cummings
On 13-07-28 06:33 AM, Svip wrote: On 28 July 2013 09:52, Виталий Филиппов vita...@yourcmc.ru wrote: Also for example I don't like python's strict typization ideas (for example it throws exception if you concatenate long and str using +). PHP is simple and has no such problems. Except, you

Re: [Wikitech-l] On your python vs php talk

2013-07-28 Thread Svip
On 28 July 2013 17:48, Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com wrote: On 13-07-28 06:33 AM, Svip wrote: Particularly because int nor str doesn't exist in the language, you Yes they do. No, they don't. They only exist in the context you describe below: cannot cast things in PHP to control

Re: [Wikitech-l] On your python vs php talk

2013-07-28 Thread Robert Cummings
On 13-07-28 12:22 PM, Svip wrote: On 28 July 2013 17:48, Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com wrote: On 13-07-28 06:33 AM, Svip wrote: Particularly because int nor str doesn't exist in the language, you Yes they do. No, they don't. They only exist in the context you describe below:

Re: [Wikitech-l] On your python vs php talk

2013-07-28 Thread Svip
On 28 July 2013 16:53, vita...@yourcmc.ru wrote: It's not bad design. It's bad only theoretically and just different from strongly-typed languages. I like its inconsistent function names - for a lot of functions they're similar to C and in most cases they're very easy to remember, as opposed

Re: [Wikitech-l] On your python vs php talk

2013-07-28 Thread Petr Bena
I don't know you man, unfortunatelly I can't evel spell your name... but I really like you, because the way you feel about python is exactly the same way I feel about it :-) I was thinking there is no one else on this world who hate the way of python's syntatx just as I do :-) And as I already

Re: [Wikitech-l] On your python vs php talk

2013-07-28 Thread Svip
On 28 July 2013 18:36, Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com wrote: I debunked your original comments and you come back with more false claims and subjective argumentation. You debunked my comment that casting is impossible; I concede that I was wrong. But it is the only context where you are

Re: [Wikitech-l] On your python vs php talk

2013-07-28 Thread Svip
On 28 July 2013 18:43, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: And as I already stated once, I didn't start this discussion to start a war (not that I wouldn't like it) I just wanted to find out what's so cool on python and why in the world would people prefer it over php. To give you an answer

Re: [Wikitech-l] On your python vs php talk

2013-07-28 Thread Svip
On 28 July 2013 18:37, Svip svi...@gmail.com wrote: Java is strongly strict, while Python is strongly dynamic. Woops, I think Java might be weakly strict and not strongly strict (that's like Standard ML or Erlang). ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

Re: [Wikitech-l] On your python vs php talk

2013-07-28 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
and how about that emacs eh, it got nothing on vim! On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 6:54 PM, Svip svi...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 July 2013 18:43, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: And as I already stated once, I didn't start this discussion to start a war (not that I wouldn't like it) I just

Re: [Wikitech-l] On your python vs php talk

2013-07-28 Thread Petr Bena
We all know that VIM is best editor out there :P On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 6:59 PM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: and how about that emacs eh, it got nothing on vim! On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 6:54 PM, Svip svi...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 July 2013 18:43, Petr Bena

Re: [Wikitech-l] On your python vs php talk

2013-07-28 Thread Chad
On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: And as I already stated once, I didn't start this discussion to start a war (not that I wouldn't like it) I just wanted to find out what's so cool on python and why in the world would people prefer it over php. Yeah well,