Re: [Wikitech-l] Project management and issue tracking; Bugzilla vs Redmine

2010-06-23 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, Now that the pending changes work is well underway, I'm reviving this thread. Below are replies to Neil, Roan, and Chad: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Neil Kandalgaonkar ne...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Just starting off the discussion, but am I right in assuming that this is driven

Re: [Wikitech-l] Project management and issue tracking; Bugzilla vs Redmine

2010-06-14 Thread Neil Kandalgaonkar
Just starting off the discussion, but am I right in assuming that this is driven by a desire for time tracking / project tracking, and this comes primarily from PMs at the WMF? I sympathize but I'm skeptical about exactly how much a tool alone can improve things. I'm also skeptical of time

Re: [Wikitech-l] Project management and issue tracking; Bugzilla vs Redmine

2010-06-14 Thread Neil Kandalgaonkar
On 2010-06-14 7:57 AM, Roan Kattouw wrote: that shouldn't come at great inconvenience to the developers, especially if the benefits are as little as Neil says they are. Well, to be clear: I have an opinion against time tracking as a tool for product management or estimation, especially if it

Re: [Wikitech-l] Project management and issue tracking; Bugzilla vs Redmine

2010-06-14 Thread Platonides
Victor Vasiliev wrote: Are there any public Bugzilla and Subversion dumps? I'd like to download them and experiment with BZ/RM, but I need real data for it (and don't really like the idea of downloading it manually). --vvv There are subversion dumps at http://svn.wikimedia.org/dumps/ I am

[Wikitech-l] Project management and issue tracking; Bugzilla vs Redmine

2010-06-13 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, Sorry for the email length here. Here's my quick summary: * Trying to figure out how to do good project management on Bugzilla, working with the Bugzilla community to juice it up * Failing that, we'd like to migrate off of it. Leading candidate: Redmine * Wiki page:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Project management and issue tracking; Bugzilla vs Redmine

2010-06-13 Thread John Vandenberg
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi everyone, Sorry for the email length here.  Here's my quick summary: *  Trying to figure out how to do good project management on Bugzilla, working with the Bugzilla community to juice it up *  Failing that, we'd

Re: [Wikitech-l] Project management and issue tracking; Bugzilla vs Redmine

2010-06-13 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 7:49 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: fwiw, I added a lot of time/project-management functionality to my Bugzilla when I was using it in a commercial project. Some of the desired functionality was already available as patches on bugzilla.mozilla.org; I