Re: [Wikitech-l] Short license blocks

2015-10-27 Thread Tyler Romeo
On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 9:19 PM, Platonides wrote: > Regarding "keeping the big header is important", I don't think anyone > barely into CS on this century can not know what the GPL is (and not > figure out in 5 minutes). > > An excerpt like this would be perfectly fine imho: > «This MediaWiki f

Re: [Wikitech-l] Short license blocks

2015-10-27 Thread Tyler Romeo
> Who are "the legal guys"? Do they assume liability for fu- > ture claims with regard to that matter so that authors are > effectively indemnified? That's a very good point. Sometimes I forget that MediaWiki does not use CLA (which is another discussion). In that case I go back on what I said,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Short license blocks

2015-10-27 Thread Platonides
On 27/10/15 19:54, Antoine Musso wrote: I think we standardized the MediaWiki core files at one point to include the recommended GPL headers. The commit history should have such trace. We did. Copyright headers were added for files which lacked it, much to my dismay. Actual descriptions of wh

Re: [Wikitech-l] Short license blocks

2015-10-27 Thread Brian Wolff
On 10/27/15, Antoine Musso wrote: > Le 27/10/2015 10:44, Gergo Tisza a écrit : >> In a recent blog post ( http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6867 ) ESR writes: >> >> High on my list of Things That Annoy Me When I Hack is sourcefiles that >>> contain huge blobs of license text at the top. That is valuable t

Re: [Wikitech-l] Short license blocks

2015-10-27 Thread Zhou Zhou
worth the cost to user comprehension. Thanks, Zhou Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 17:21:53 -0600 > From: Stephen Niedzielski > To: Wikimedia developers > Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Short license blocks > Message-ID: > nh7gupd4kebjbyczvsvk6...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-

Re: [Wikitech-l] Short license blocks

2015-10-27 Thread Stephen Niedzielski
SPDX use for all our projects and licenses, we will > have to do a little more research on this. Happy to talk off-thread about > this as well. > > Thanks, > > Zhou > > > > > From: Tyler Romeo > > Date: Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 12:03 PM > > Subject: Re: [W

Re: [Wikitech-l] Short license blocks

2015-10-27 Thread Zhou Zhou
ensing information. As to the specifics of SPDX use for all our projects and licenses, we will have to do a little more research on this. Happy to talk off-thread about this as well. Thanks, Zhou > From: Tyler Romeo > Date: Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 12:03 PM > Subject: Re: [Wikitech-

Re: [Wikitech-l] Short license blocks

2015-10-27 Thread Tyler Romeo
The Apache license, which is also permissive, has a similar recommended file header. I'd say we just standardize on having the warranty disclaimer and license notice in every file. It's an easy approach to make sure somebody reading the file can easily tell the license without having to maintain c

Re: [Wikitech-l] Short license blocks

2015-10-27 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 27/10/2015 10:44, Gergo Tisza a écrit : > In a recent blog post ( http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6867 ) ESR writes: > > High on my list of Things That Annoy Me When I Hack is sourcefiles that >> contain huge blobs of license text at the top. That is valuable territory >> which should be occupied by

Re: [Wikitech-l] Short license blocks

2015-10-27 Thread Ryan Kaldari
I was saying that we could go ahead and make this the standard for non-GPL MediaWiki code (basically, the few MIT licensed extensions). I'm not sure if the advantage of doing that would outweigh the disadvantage of having a non-standard standard though. On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Tyler Rome

Re: [Wikitech-l] Short license blocks

2015-10-27 Thread Tyler Romeo
Are you saying adopting the short license blocks? Or the MIT license? Because I'm not sure how the licenses of extensions would affect the license headers in core. On Oct 27, 2015 12:43, "Ryan Kaldari" wrote: > > I totally support switching to license identifiers instead of headers, > provided t

Re: [Wikitech-l] Short license blocks

2015-10-27 Thread Ryan Kaldari
I totally support switching to license identifiers instead of headers, provided that we also switch our licensing from GPL to MIT or BSD ;) On a serious note, we do have a fair number of extensions that are MIT Licensed and could go ahead and adopt this ( https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Short license blocks

2015-10-27 Thread Tim Landscheidt
Tyler Romeo wrote: > IANAL, but the GPL explicitly prescribes adding the header to every source > file to "most effectively state the exclusion of warranty". > If the legal guys can give the OK that we don't necessarily need that, then > we can definitely remove the notices and replace them with

Re: [Wikitech-l] Short license blocks

2015-10-27 Thread Tim Landscheidt
Gergo Tisza wrote: > In a recent blog post ( http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6867 ) ESR writes: > High on my list of Things That Annoy Me When I Hack is sourcefiles that >> contain huge blobs of license text at the top. That is valuable territory >> which should be occupied by a header comment explain

Re: [Wikitech-l] Short license blocks

2015-10-27 Thread Tyler Romeo
IANAL, but the GPL explicitly prescribes adding the header to every source file to "most effectively state the exclusion of warranty". If the legal guys can give the OK that we don't necessarily need that, then we can definitely remove the notices and replace them with something smaller. *-- * *

[Wikitech-l] Short license blocks

2015-10-27 Thread Gergo Tisza
In a recent blog post ( http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6867 ) ESR writes: High on my list of Things That Annoy Me When I Hack is sourcefiles that > contain huge blobs of license text at the top. That is valuable territory > which should be occupied by a header comment explaining the code, not a > boatl