Re: [Wikitech-l] License exceptions in Wikimedia's repo

2011-11-08 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
Olivier Beaton olivier.bea...@gmail.com writes: What do I gain by not using gpl? Commercial use and forking under a license of your choice. The only thing that concerns me using bsd is how to accept contributions that im not merging in safely. Others have said here, and I agree, that if you

Re: [Wikitech-l] License exceptions in Wikimedia's repo

2011-11-08 Thread Platonides
On 08/11/11 02:52, Olivier Beaton wrote: What do I gain by not using gpl? Commercial use and forking under a license of your choice. The only thing that concerns me using bsd is how to accept contributions that im not merging in safely. Is zend framework concern with bsd and their use of a

Re: [Wikitech-l] License exceptions in Wikimedia's repo

2011-11-08 Thread Olivier Beaton
If it's on company time it's All Rights Reserved and will never see the light of day. Way too many lawyers over here. Anyways it looks for my perticular case I'll probably end up with just a BSD header (was most likely overthinking/overparanoid), but as I keep repeating, and which Rob pointed out,

Re: [Wikitech-l] License exceptions in Wikimedia's repo

2011-11-08 Thread David Gerard
On 8 November 2011 18:02, Olivier Beaton olivier.bea...@gmail.com wrote: If it's on company time it's All Rights Reserved and will never see the light of day. Way too many lawyers over here. Anyways it looks for my perticular case I'll probably end up with just a BSD header (was most likely

Re: [Wikitech-l] License exceptions in Wikimedia's repo

2011-11-08 Thread Chad
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 1:08 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: To what degree are extensions derivatives, under copyright law, of MediaWiki code? Enough to have to be GPLed? That's a thorny one. IIRC, we've discussed this before but never come up with a solid answer. We really do need

Re: [Wikitech-l] License exceptions in Wikimedia's repo

2011-11-08 Thread Daniel Barrett
To what degree are extensions derivatives, under copyright law, of MediaWiki code? IANAL, but I'd think that extensions are derivative of MediaWiki in the same manner that my email is derivative of the English Language Dictionary. DanB ___

Re: [Wikitech-l] License exceptions in Wikimedia's repo

2011-11-08 Thread Tim Starling
On 09/11/11 04:50, Platonides wrote: On 08/11/11 02:52, Olivier Beaton wrote: What do I gain by not using gpl? Commercial use and forking under a license of your choice. The only thing that concerns me using bsd is how to accept contributions that im not merging in safely. Is zend framework

Re: [Wikitech-l] License exceptions in Wikimedia's repo

2011-11-08 Thread Russell Nelson
The FSF's theory of GPL inheritance is based on the idea that your code has only one purpose: to extend the capabilities of GPL'ed code. It has no other use or function. So, to distribute it under any other license is an attempt to create a collective work that violates the GPL. This case is

Re: [Wikitech-l] License exceptions in Wikimedia's repo (was Re: SVN Extension Access)

2011-11-07 Thread Olivier Beaton
I think continuing the license discussion is worthwhile. For the purpose of this conversation as I see it the WikiMedia Foundation is providing services (defined next) to two facets of the MediaWiki community (core and extensions developers): a) Repository to store/revision code (svn or soon git)

Re: [Wikitech-l] License exceptions in Wikimedia's repo (was Re: SVN Extension Access)

2011-11-07 Thread David Gerard
On 7 November 2011 15:08, Olivier Beaton olivier.bea...@gmail.com wrote: To make it clear, copyright assignments (what I had in my original request) are common in the FOSS community, as you pointed out you talked about them yourself on your blog and wmf talked about having Copyright

Re: [Wikitech-l] License exceptions in Wikimedia's repo (was Re: SVN Extension Access)

2011-11-07 Thread Olivier Beaton
Copyright assignments are harmful. They are not some sort of standard thing in open source. They would be harmful to MediaWiki. At the risk of de-railing the discussion, I think everyone can agree that having good high quality extensions for MediaWiki is good for MediaWiki. The license an

Re: [Wikitech-l] License exceptions in Wikimedia's repo (was Re: SVN Extension Access)

2011-11-07 Thread Erik Moeller
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Olivier Beaton olivier.bea...@gmail.com wrote: The question is should a WMF-funded service (and the MediaWiki community) allow 3rd party to make use of said services if they have dual-licensed code. Well, in addition to dual-licensing and asking everyone to

Re: [Wikitech-l] License exceptions in Wikimedia's repo (was Re: SVN Extension Access)

2011-11-07 Thread bawolff
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Re: [Wikitech-l] License exceptions in Wikimedia's repo (was Re: SVN Extension Access)

2011-11-07 Thread Olivier Beaton
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: Could you elaborate on that? Given that I wasn't using the GPL, I was concerned that anyone committing against my code would do so under all rights reserved and would effectively be forking my code from the point of their

Re: [Wikitech-l] License exceptions in Wikimedia's repo (was Re: SVN Extension Access)

2011-11-07 Thread Erik Moeller
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Olivier Beaton olivier.bea...@gmail.com wrote: My first stab at this was to use a contributor agreement that contained a copyright assignment, as people do for dual-licensing with GPL code. A little bit later I found the Zend Framework license, which uses a

Re: [Wikitech-l] License exceptions in Wikimedia's repo (was Re: SVN Extension Access)

2011-11-07 Thread Platonides
Olivier Beaton wrote: On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: Could you elaborate on that? Given that I wasn't using the GPL, I was concerned that anyone committing against my code would do so under all rights reserved and would effectively be forking my code

Re: [Wikitech-l] License exceptions in Wikimedia's repo

2011-11-07 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
Olivier Beaton olivier.bea...@gmail.com writes: Could you elaborate on that? Given that I wasn't using the GPL, I was concerned that anyone committing against my code would do so under all rights reserved and would effectively be forking my code from the point of their revision. I wanted

Re: [Wikitech-l] License exceptions in Wikimedia's repo

2011-11-07 Thread Olivier Beaton
What do I gain by not using gpl? Commercial use and forking under a license of your choice. The only thing that concerns me using bsd is how to accept contributions that im not merging in safely. Is zend framework concern with bsd and their use of a contrib agreement ? My employer asked me to

Re: [Wikitech-l] License exceptions in Wikimedia's repo (was Re: SVN Extension Access)

2011-11-07 Thread Tim Starling
On 08/11/11 02:08, Olivier Beaton wrote: And here's where I currently stand with my own work. I'm no expert on licensing and my wording so far may not be great, but there seems to be some concern in BSD-like licenses that without such a clause in a shared-commit environment can lead to

Re: [Wikitech-l] License exceptions in Wikimedia's repo (was Re: SVN Extension Access)

2011-11-07 Thread Olivier Beaton
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 10:54 PM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: My recommendation is that you contact people who commit code to your extension, and request that they agree to license their contributions under a BSD-style license. That would of course be the (please print out this