[Wikitech-l] GreenSMW (GSoC)

2012-08-21 Thread Nischay Nahata
Hi, Its been a wonderful time working on SemanticMediaWiki this summer as part of my Google Summer of Code project GreenSMW. While most of the planned milestones have been reached, I am still working on more improvements to SMW after GSoC. I have a written a self-evaluation of my project [1] SMW

[Wikitech-l] GSoC wrapup report: TranslateSvg

2012-08-21 Thread Harry Burt
Hey all. The following is a (admittedly rather thorough) wrapup report on my Google Summer of Code project entitled: TranslateSvg: bringing the translation revolution to Wikimedia Commons. TL;DR: I'm happy. On 9 July 2011, South Sudan declared independence, and during that buzz, an Italian

Re: [Wikitech-l] GreenSMW (GSoC)

2012-08-21 Thread Platonides
On 21/08/12 14:47, Nischay Nahata wrote: Hi, Its been a wonderful time working on SemanticMediaWiki this summer as part of my Google Summer of Code project GreenSMW. While most of the planned milestones have been reached, I am still working on more improvements to SMW after GSoC. I have a

Re: [Wikitech-l] GSoC wrapup report: TranslateSvg

2012-08-21 Thread Mark Holmquist
Yay! Happy times, wrapping up projects and hearing great things. This is quite an exciting project, and I'm interested to see how it all works out! You promised us a video, though! I guess you reused '[1]' later in the email and forgot :) Thanks for coming out to work on this brilliant

Re: [Wikitech-l] GSoC wrapup report: TranslateSvg

2012-08-21 Thread Chris McMahon
Once code review is complete, there'll be at least one more testing phase, this time with specific questions, followed by a pitch by me to Wikimedia Commons. Only after that will I even utter the d word in the context of TranslateSvg. Please let me know when you get here, I am really

[Wikitech-l] Wikimedians are rightfully wary

2012-08-21 Thread Tyler Romeo
Hey, Not sure if anybody has seen this article yet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-08-20/Op-ed Thought it was interesting and possibly worth discussion. --Tyler Romeo ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

[Wikitech-l] JavaScript mv* framework for MediaWiki?

2012-08-21 Thread Daniel Werner
Hi everyone, some of us at Wikidata[1] are currently thinking about the best approach to improve the connection between our backend (web API) and our JavaScript front-end. What we basically want is to make our data model available in the front-end in a broader span. This will allow us to go for

Re: [Wikitech-l] JavaScript mv* framework for MediaWiki?

2012-08-21 Thread Trevor Parscal
VisualEditor doesn't use a 3rd party framework, mostly because I don't really believe in them - that's another topic though. Here are some thoughts on this topic: - I suggest you create some classes (JavaScript prototypes) in a namespace, such as a global 'WikiData' object (which can be

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedians are rightfully wary

2012-08-21 Thread Ori Livneh
On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Tyler Romeo wrote: Hey, Not sure if anybody has seen this article yet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-08-20/Op-ed Thought it was interesting and possibly worth discussion. I responded on the talk page[1], taking

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedians are rightfully wary

2012-08-21 Thread Trevor Parscal
That was unfortunate - I've been ridiculed (by Max) for things I've said before as well, I feel your pain Ori. That said however, I generally agree with this piece. I have more faith than the author seems to have that we are on the right track to doing better work in the future, but the points

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedians are rightfully wary

2012-08-21 Thread Ori Livneh
On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Trevor Parscal wrote: One of the most important points here is about experimenting on users; and it should be taken seriously. I also believe strongly that, as the author suggests, we should treat editors as colleagues rather than customers. Yes,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedians are rightfully wary

2012-08-21 Thread Trevor Parscal
Well said. Thank you for sharing. - Trevor On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Ori Livneh o...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Trevor Parscal wrote: One of the most important points here is about experimenting on users; and it should be taken seriously. I

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedians are rightfully wary

2012-08-21 Thread Asher Feldman
While I don't agree with the negative sentiment around experimentation, I think there's value both in MZMcBride's op-ed, and in the comment thread that follows. He correctly calls out some of our long term organizational failings around product planning, resource allocation, execution, and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedians are rightfully wary

2012-08-21 Thread Thomas Morton
The criticism around AFTv5 in terms of product design (nevermind the code) is largely echoed in the comments, yet we seem rather sure that we're giving editors a tool of importance. My daily sampling of what's flowing into the enwiki db from the feature appears to be 99% garbage, with the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedians are rightfully wary

2012-08-21 Thread Ryan Lane
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Trevor Parscal tpars...@wikimedia.org wrote: That was unfortunate - I've been ridiculed (by Max) for things I've said before as well, I feel your pain Ori. That said however, I generally agree with this piece. I have more faith than the author seems to have

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedians are rightfully wary

2012-08-21 Thread S Page
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Trevor Parscal tpars...@wikimedia.orgwrote: One of the most important points here is about experimenting on users; and it should be taken seriously. Loaded terminology. Experimenting on wikis is one thing, while Experimenting on users sounds BAD -- the lab

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedians are rightfully wary

2012-08-21 Thread Platonides
On 21/08/12 22:01, Ryan Lane wrote: One of the most important points here is about experimenting on users; and it should be taken seriously. I also believe strongly that, as the author suggests, we should treat editors as colleagues rather than customers. This assumes that we aren't

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedians are rightfully wary

2012-08-21 Thread Max Semenik
On 22.08.2012, 0:20 S wrote: (There is My preferences Appearance check Exclude me from feature experiments; though it's probable some artifacts will leak out, as happened for a few weeks in the bug he references.) Unfortunately, anons have no preferences and most registered users don't know

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedians are rightfully wary

2012-08-21 Thread Trevor Parscal
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 1:20 PM, S Page sp...@wikimedia.org wrote: (There is My preferences Appearance check Exclude me from feature experiments; though it's probable some artifacts will leak out, as happened for a few weeks in the bug he references.) As the person who implemented that

[Wikitech-l] Wikimedians are rightfully wary

2012-08-21 Thread bawolff
[This didn't send the first time, trying again] Re: Ryan Lane That said, a number of the points are misguided. FlaggedRevs is a poor example to be used by either the foundation or the community. FlaggedRevs is a perfect example of how design by committee (where the committee is the community)

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedians are rightfully wary

2012-08-21 Thread Ryan Lane
I most definitely agree - WONTFIXING a request that is a bad idea is just as important as fixing bugs, or implementing the good ideas. The art is of course in being able to determine what constitutes a bad idea and a good idea. Its also important to keep in mind the community is full of many

[Wikitech-l] Use cases for Sites handling change (Re: Wikidata blockers weekly update)

2012-08-21 Thread bawolff
Re Denny * Questions by Bawulff I redacted from my answer (because I was [..] Most of all, we need global identifiers for the different wikis. We could add a table which only contains mapping of the local prefixes to global identifiers, but we think that the current interwiki table could

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedians are rightfully wary

2012-08-21 Thread Platonides
On 21/08/12 23:50, bawolff wrote: LiquidThreads was also originally community designed. The maintainer added every feature under the sun that the community requested, which lead it to become a bloated and difficult to maintain piece of software... I most definitely agree - WONTFIXING a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedians are rightfully wary

2012-08-21 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
On 08/21/2012 06:29 PM, Ryan Lane wrote: When I'm doing an ops change that is user facing I write a blog post and I post something to wikitech-l. I don't bother using village pump. There's a reason for that. There's a *lot* of village pumps. Hundreds. In different languages. I can't possibly

Re: [Wikitech-l] Use cases for Sites handling change (Re: Wikidata blockers weekly update)

2012-08-21 Thread Daniel Friesen
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 15:33:59 -0700, bawolff bawolff...@gmail.com wrote: Re Denny * Questions by Bawulff I redacted from my answer (because I was [..] Most of all, we need global identifiers for the different wikis. We could add a table which only contains mapping of the local prefixes to

[Wikitech-l] Lua deployed to www.mediawiki.org

2012-08-21 Thread Tim Starling
Lua is now enabled on www.mediawiki.org. Note that this is not a temporary deployment. You can rewrite existing templates to use Lua, we're not going to break them by turning it off again. -- Tim Starling ___ Wikitech-l mailing list