Re: [Wikitech-l] [WikimediaMobile] need for an app? (was: Future platforms, devices, and consumers)
Offline storage is hard in a browser, as you pointed out; that's too much detail for me to understand quickly, and I have no comment yet. In principle, such concern is valid. Even the w3 held a working group for a while that was around how broken app cache was (http://www.w3.org/community/fixing-appcache/) It is still broken and been so for many years, well documented since 2011: http://www.w3.org/2011/web-apps-ws/papers/Facebook.html On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 5:33 AM, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote: Dmitry Brant wrote: The fact that you don't see the benefits of the native app over the mobile website is simply an indication that we still have a lot of work to do with the apps, which we are excited to do. Partly this is because you don't support my mobile platform. Dmitry Brant wrote: But, is it a waste of effort to bring a truly integrated, seamless Wikipedia experience to our users' mobile devices? I don't think so. Nor is it a waste of effort for the WMF to be seen as a driving force in mobile design and mobile user experience. I was assuming that integration and being seamless are easily doable from a web browser. Offline storage is hard in a browser, as you pointed out; that's too much detail for me to understand quickly, and I have no comment yet. In principle, such concern is valid. Documenting extra differences and shortcomings of web browsers could be a nice task. svetlana ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] [WikimediaMobile] need for an app? (was: Future platforms, devices, and consumers)
On 16 August 2014 00:29, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote: We don't need apps. Read this to find out why you're wrong: http://gigaom.com/2014/08/01/wikipedias-new-apps-are-good-for-you-but-theyre-even-better-for-the-developing-world/ Dan -- Dan Garry Associate Product Manager, Mobile Apps Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] [WikimediaMobile] need for an app? (was: Future platforms, devices, and consumers)
On Sun, 17 Aug 2014, at 00:18, Dan Garry wrote: On 16 August 2014 00:29, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote: We don't need apps. Read this to find out why you're wrong: http://gigaom.com/2014/08/01/wikipedias-new-apps-are-good-for-you-but-theyre-even-better-for-the-developing-world/ Dan Why not use in-browser offline storage? http://www.html5rocks.com/en/features/storage [then you're not missing out people who have neither android nor ios] svetlana ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] [WikimediaMobile] need for an app? (was: Future platforms, devices, and consumers)
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 12:40 AM, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote: Why not use in-browser offline storage? http://www.html5rocks.com/en/features/storage One of my favorite articles: http://alistapart.com/article/application-cache-is-a-douchebag -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] [WikimediaMobile] need for an app? (was: Future platforms, devices, and consumers)
On Sun, 17 Aug 2014, at 10:04, Dan Garry wrote: On 16 August 2014 00:29, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote: We don't need apps. We need mobile websites which work as good as an app does. Oh, the waste of effort. It appears to me like you have issues with this project that go way beyond what I can help you with. I suggest you take it up with the senior management. I won't be responding to this thread further. Dan That is OK, you and Yuvi Panda highlighted some important points. Thanks to both - I'll follow-up if I find solution to the application cache issues raised in the blog post linked earlier. svetlana ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] [WikimediaMobile] need for an app? (was: Future platforms, devices, and consumers)
Dmitry Brant wrote: The fact that you don't see the benefits of the native app over the mobile website is simply an indication that we still have a lot of work to do with the apps, which we are excited to do. Partly this is because you don't support my mobile platform. Dmitry Brant wrote: But, is it a waste of effort to bring a truly integrated, seamless Wikipedia experience to our users' mobile devices? I don't think so. Nor is it a waste of effort for the WMF to be seen as a driving force in mobile design and mobile user experience. I was assuming that integration and being seamless are easily doable from a web browser. Offline storage is hard in a browser, as you pointed out; that's too much detail for me to understand quickly, and I have no comment yet. In principle, such concern is valid. Documenting extra differences and shortcomings of web browsers could be a nice task. svetlana ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
