Re: Mac OS X/Darwin port of Wine

2003-01-08 Thread Mike Hearn
You're mixing installed base numbers with new shipments (market share). Indeed, I've run across this distinction before. By that logic however stuff that's given away for free has no market share, meaning that Opera is the worlds most important browser. Hence installed user base is a more useful

Re: Mac OS X/Darwin port of Wine

2003-01-08 Thread Jim White
Mike Hearn wrote: I'm suggesting you use it as a place to start the port. If you decide to make things hard for yourself due to some bizarre hatred of desktop Linux, then you're just increasing the amount of work you'd need to do. You don't even have to dual boot or anything, just stick it on an

Re: Mac OS X/Darwin port of Wine

2003-01-08 Thread Steven Edwards
Yeah. From what I remember, Bochs uses only software emulation, which means it's very slow but very portable. Ideally there would be a libbochs that lets you pass in a block of code of any given architecture and have it translated into any other architecture. If there was such a library (not

Re: Mac OS X/Darwin port of Wine

2003-01-08 Thread Francois Gouget
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Jim White wrote: [...] I think I will investigate the Linux compatible angle for a bit. I've already had some interest from some hard core Linux kernel hackers (although they seem pretty convinced Mach was the wrong solution, it is here to stay and at least the microkernel

Re: Mac OS X/Darwin port of Wine

2003-01-08 Thread Francois Gouget
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Michael F. March wrote: [...] Once you can run Linux/x86 application like Mozilla with acceptable performance in Bochs on MacOS X you should be able to run applications such as Word in Wine with similar performance. Similarly, once Linux/x86 Gimp runs with acceptable

Re: Mac OS X/Darwin port of Wine

2003-01-08 Thread Michael F. March
I think I will investigate the Linux compatible angle for a bit. I've already had some interest from some hard core Linux kernel hackers (although they seem pretty convinced Mach was the wrong solution, it is here to stay and at least the microkernel approach means we can neatly have multiple

Re: Mac OS X/Darwin port of Wine

2003-01-08 Thread Mike Hearn
Old PC? All my old PCs have X86 processors and they're running Linux. Are you saying there are sources of extremely cheap PPC motherboards to stick in a PC chasis? Sorry, a thinko :) I meant an old PPC machine Bochs has full support for Mac OS X including a .dmg binary on their

Re: Mac OS X/Darwin port of Wine

2003-01-07 Thread Mike Hearn
Do you have any references for those statistics? The figures came from this: A few months ago (don't recall exactly when) Apple were under pressure from Redmond to sell more copies of OS X so they could make the money back on Office X. They revealed that 1 in 10 mac users were using OS X.

Re: Mac OS X/Darwin port of Wine

2003-01-07 Thread Jim White
Mike Hearn wrote: Do you have any references for those statistics? The figures came from this: ... You're mixing installed base numbers with new shipments (market share). Worthwile to note in this vein is Apple released their version of the XFree86 X11 server (rootless for Aqua) beta for

Re: Mac OS X/Darwin port of Wine

2003-01-06 Thread Mike Hearn
Supposedly Mac OS X already has the largest installed base of any single *nix distribution and certainly is ahead of Linux on the desktop. So there are easily as many potential users of Wine for Mac OS X as Wine for X86-whatever. And Virtual PC has been

Re: Mac OS X/Darwin port of Wine

2003-01-06 Thread Jim White
Mike Hearn wrote: Supposedly Mac OS X already has the largest installed base of any single *nix distribution... Actually, according to figures from Apple and IDC (guess which is more neutral) desktop Linux has at least double and possibly quadruple the installed userbase of MacOS

Re: Mac OS X/Darwin port of Wine

2003-01-06 Thread Jeremy White
On Mon, 2003-01-06 at 11:12, Jim White wrote: Mike Hearn wrote: Supposedly Mac OS X already has the largest installed base of any single *nix distribution... Actually, according to figures from Apple and IDC (guess which is more neutral) desktop Linux has at least

Mac OS X/Darwin port of Wine

2003-01-04 Thread Jim White
Hi Gang. A few weeks ago when I thought how cool it would be to marry Wine and Bochs to run Windows progams on Mac OS X Darwin, I checked around, including this list, and didn't find any activity. So I opened a SourceForge project to focus on just that goal: http://darwine.sf.net After I

Re: Mac OS X/Darwin port of Wine

2003-01-04 Thread Dan Kegel
Jim White wrote: A few weeks ago when I thought how cool it would be to marry Wine and Bochs to run Windows progams on Mac OS X Darwin, I checked around, including this list, and didn't find any activity. So I opened a SourceForge project to focus on just that goal: http://darwine.sf.net

Re: Mac OS X/Darwin port of Wine

2003-01-04 Thread Brian Vincent
A few weeks ago when I thought how cool it would be to marry Wine and Bochs to run Windows progams on Mac OS X Darwin, I checked around, including this list, and didn't find any activity. This issue comes up a few times a year (isn't it in a FAQ somewhere?) Anyway, take a look at these

Re: Mac OS X/Darwin port of Wine

2003-01-04 Thread Lionel Ulmer
This issue comes up a few times a year (isn't it in a FAQ somewhere?) Anyway, take a look at these threads: Yeah, this is one of the most persistant 'Wine dream' around :-) I had once a long discussion with a fellow hacker on this subject (going into the likes of using Valgrind's

Re: Mac OS X/Darwin port of Wine

2003-01-04 Thread Dan Kegel
Lionel Ulmer wrote: I had once a long discussion with a fellow hacker on this subject (going into the likes of using Valgrind's virtualization engine to output non-X86 code to do dynamic translation and so on). We agreed that before starting with Wine, one could start with running, for example,

Re: Mac OS X/Darwin port of Wine

2003-01-04 Thread Jim White
Dan Kegel wrote: Lionel Ulmer wrote: We agreed that before starting with Wine, one could start with running, for example, Linux/x86 binaries on Linux/PPC. That would already validate the fact that you can draw the line at one point and from there run such an heterogenous environment. Hey,

Re: Mac OS X/Darwin port of Wine

2003-01-04 Thread Jim White
Brian Vincent wrote: This issue comes up a few times a year (isn't it in a FAQ somewhere?) Anyway, take a look at these threads: Yes it is a bit of a FAQ, and the answers have mostly been along the lines of just use Winelib for non-Intel machines. Now it can be ... and checkout the Darwine