[WISPA] interference from ships

2010-06-19 Thread jp
We've got a 700' drilling ship moored about a mile off our coast for a few days for repairs. http://www.stena-drilling.com/sub.asp?m=drillingp=stenaforth Since it came in, 900mhz within a couple miles of it has stopped working. We went out with the spectrum analyser after the Alvarion

Re: [WISPA] MicroTik HWMPplus mesh?

2010-06-19 Thread Greg Ihnen
Thanks. Just a few more questions please. 1. If you use self-configuring gear doesn't that mean at least as far as the backhaul it's all on the same frequency? Wouldn't a system where you manually configure the backhaul legs to use separate frequencies reduce self-interference and allow

Re: [WISPA] What, no response to the FCC vote today?

2010-06-19 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 6/19/2010 12:36 AM, MDK wrote: This may be our last chance to survive in this business. I know what my position is, and it should be clear to most of you. However, the FCC needs to hear from the smaller operators, and from small business saying Hands off! We can't afford your wishes. And

Re: [WISPA] interference from ships

2010-06-19 Thread RickG
Plug the damn hole! - lol! Sorry, I couldnt help it :) Since it's a UK ship, I wonder if this has anything to do with it? http://www.eubusiness.com/topics/telecoms/mobile-ships.01/ On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 8:14 AM, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote: We've got a 700' drilling ship moored about a

Re: [WISPA] interference from ships

2010-06-19 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Possible but don't quit believe so since 900MHz GSM uses 890-914Mhz for uplink (cell to base station), and 921-960Mhz for download (basestation to cell). That strong signal wouldn't come from cells and the basestation would just ruin the top part of the frequency. Maritime cell systems I seen

Re: [WISPA] MicroTik HWMPplus mesh?

2010-06-19 Thread Rubens Kuhl
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: that's a few radio hops away from anywhere.  And that's one reason why per-hop latency is all-critical To put things in context... from what we have seen typical latency between radios (for a single link) are between

Re: [WISPA] interference from ships

2010-06-19 Thread Chuck Profito
CAN THAT BE SOME FORM OF RADAR? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 12:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] interference from ships Possible but don't quit believe

Re: [WISPA] interference from ships

2010-06-19 Thread Greg Ihnen
I'd contact the ship's owner. Greg On Jun 19, 2010, at 6:56 PM, Chuck Profito wrote: CAN THAT BE SOME FORM OF RADAR? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 12:01 PM To:

Re: [WISPA] interference from ships

2010-06-19 Thread Chuck Profito
there it is sub surface low freq radar Google and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-frequency_radar are our friends... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 12:01 PM To: 'WISPA

Re: [WISPA] interference from ships

2010-06-19 Thread Greg Ihnen
That's funny. That article claims that Below 900 MHz the target radar cross section increases exponentially, however the increased radar cross section means that there is much more radar return from undesirable sources, such as cloud cover and rain (cf. weather radar). but when I worked on

Re: [WISPA] interference from ships

2010-06-19 Thread Chuck Profito
yes Greg, we used to think a Smart Bridge was the Cat's Meow then the CB3 came out! :-) Since that's an exploration drilling ship, I'll bet it's some sort of sub surface positioning radar/ sonar/ or some such, linked to the thrusters and gps to keep it on position. I wonder if it could be worse

Re: [WISPA] interference from ships

2010-06-19 Thread Greg Ihnen
Another option is they're running something that's not street legal (something you couldn't get away with running ashore but out at sea you don't have to worry a about an FCC van bristling with antennas direction finding it's way to your location) that normally they just run at sea and someone

Re: [WISPA] MicroTik HWMPplus mesh?

2010-06-19 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 6/19/2010 06:43 PM, Rubens Kuhl wrote: On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: that's a few radio hops away from anywhere. And that's one reason why per-hop latency is all-critical To put things in context... from what we have seen typical latency

Re: [WISPA] interference from ships

2010-06-19 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 6/19/2010 08:14 AM, you wrote: We've got a 700' drilling ship moored about a mile off our coast for a few days for repairs. http://www.stena-drilling.com/sub.asp?m=drillingp=stenaforth Since it came in, 900mhz within a couple miles of it has stopped working. We went out with the spectrum

Re: [WISPA] MicroTik HWMPplus mesh?

2010-06-19 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
You know your stuff in-side out, hands down there is no argument about that :) Getting back to your original quest... You are going to find the following:- The non-licensed wireless world is not as mature as the wire line world... think of today's wire less world being what the wire line world