Re: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire

2011-07-17 Thread MDK
Ok, lets get this in perspective. I am one, uno, sole, lone person. While I believe I am right, I am NOT interested in saying I have a right to impose my views on all this stuff on all the other members of WISPA. Two years ago, I asked, prodded, and then nagged, to see if WISPA would

Re: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire

2011-07-17 Thread MDK
+100 Rick. And it is this fundamental philosophical perspective that I am asking WISPA to answer - what is the official position? If there is none, then are all the positions and statements and arguments just convenient at the moment? Does WISPA advocate for things that will result in

Re: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire

2011-07-17 Thread Scott Reed
Well, yeah, necessarily. Where I lived the service got worse. On 7/16/2011 10:08 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: At 7/16/2011 09:41 PM, Scott Reed wrote: I also noticed that the breakup of Ma Bell degraded service in many areas. A monopoly by market demand is not necessarily bad. A monopoly by

Re: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire

2011-07-17 Thread Mike Hammett
No policy that I'm aware of prevented anyone from being an ISP. It was a cost issue. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/16/2011 8:03 PM, RickG wrote: it is Regulation (1996 Telecom Act) that allowed us (ISP's) to be able to go into the business of

Re: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire

2011-07-17 Thread Mike Hammett
I'm okay with that. That makes my service that much better and easier to sell. I know you have a wireline portion of your business as well, however. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/16/2011 8:25 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Well...again you have to

Re: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire

2011-07-17 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 7/17/2011 07:22 AM, Scott Reed wrote: Well, yeah, necessarily. Where I lived the service got worse. I presume you mean that ironically, as a sample of one does not indicate a general case. Service got considerably better for my employer at the time, where I worked in

Re: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire

2011-07-17 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
That is exactly the type of thinking that I am warning about... Most WISP's are in the mode of thinking about We are in the Wireless Business All of the Wireline ISP/NSP's came to realize We are in the business of providing Communication Services The fact that it is wired / wireless makes

Re: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire

2011-07-17 Thread Mike Hammett
Well, I am wireless and am getting into fiber. As long as WISPA keeps working on the air and general ISP issues (which they are working on), I can keep building upon my fiber. All fiber I am after is either via 20 year IRU or stuff I construct myself. That keeps me in the game for quite a

Re: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire

2011-07-17 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 7/17/2011 08:30 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: No policy that I'm aware of prevented anyone from being an ISP. It was a cost issue. Before 1996, there was open entry into the ISP market under Computer II/III, but that was largely limited to dial-up, leased lines, and telco transport services

Re: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire

2011-07-17 Thread Mike Hammett
Thanks for the history lesson, Fred! I'm glad I pointed you this way from the replacement ISP-CLEC. These regulations certainly spurred the ecosystems that enable us to deploy cost effectively today. I've never been a fan of using someone else's network without a long-term agreement (IRU,

Re: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire

2011-07-17 Thread RickG
So it wasnt the 1996 Telecom Act that allowed us (ISP's) to be able to go into the business of providing internet access and other communication services On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: ** No policy that I'm aware of prevented anyone from being an

Re: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire

2011-07-17 Thread Bruce Robertson
Well, I've been an ISP since 1993, so I guess not! :-) On 07/17/2011 10:44 AM, RickG wrote: So it wasnt the 1996 Telecom Act that allowed us (ISP's) to be able to go into the business of providing internet access and other communication services On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Mike Hammett

Re: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire

2011-07-17 Thread Mike Hammett
I had dial-up before 1996. Reading the lists over the years, people were starting to do wireless then. Fiber networks were already starting to be deployed. TA96 just changed the costs of doing so and forced the Bells to share their copper. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing

Re: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire

2011-07-17 Thread Mike Hammett
Only a handful of companies (that have a significant market presence) took to the spirit of TA96. They piggybacked on the RBOCs while they build out their own infrastructure. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/17/2011 12:44 PM, RickG wrote: So it

Re: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire

2011-07-17 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 7/17/2011 01:44 PM, RickG wrote: So it wasnt the 1996 Telecom Act that allowed us (ISP's) to be able to go into the business of providing internet access and other communication services It didn't allow entry into the internet business per se. It allowed entry into the DSL business. It

Re: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire

2011-07-17 Thread RickG
Bingo! It had nothing to do with the wireless business. On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.comwrote: At 7/17/2011 01:44 PM, RickG wrote: So it wasnt the 1996 Telecom Act that allowed us (ISP's) to be able to go into the business of providing internet access and

Re: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire

2011-07-17 Thread Mike Hammett
Well, it allows for VoIP, which we should all be doing to help our bottom lines. it also helps many WISPs obtain their connection to the net, but they should be doing something Bell-less anyway. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/17/2011 2:50 PM,

Re: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire

2011-07-17 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Yes may be true .. but I think it would be naive this think so.. The evolution of the telecom and internet, I believe are inter-related, think of it this way.. if there was no internet, then why would folks need your wireless connection ? Least we forget before the internet, there were the BBS

Re: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire

2011-07-17 Thread RickG
no body was scrambling to build private networks to connect to them But those were early days. If left alone, we may have had something more advanced and even better. At the very least, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now. ;) On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net

Re: [WISPA] [Spam] FCC 5.4 gig training

2011-07-17 Thread Tom DeReggi
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Re: [WISPA] PtP Flat Panel and MiMo Dish Antennas

2011-07-17 Thread Tom DeReggi
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