RE: [WISPA] PPPoE The good, the bad and the ugly please

2007-04-09 Thread Harold Bledsoe
I am not a personal fan of PPPoE as I consider it just another layer of complexity and failure for the network. A lot of people use it in the US for user authentication and control though. If I were starting out new, I would consider other alternatives to these two problems. For wireless client

Re: [WISPA] PPPoE The good, the bad and the ugly please

2007-04-09 Thread Eric Muehleisen
Scriv, We use Redback for PPPoE authentication to around 15,000 subs. It's a breeze for customer accounting and really simplifies routing static IP's, subnets and private contexts. We are also in the VOIP arena where PPPoE has failed us. PPPoE encapsulation will strip most of your QoS. Keep

RE: [WISPA] PPPoE The good, the bad and the ugly please

2007-04-09 Thread Smith, Rick
How so? -Original Message- We are also in the VOIP arena where PPPoE has failed us. PPPoE encapsulation will strip most of your QoS. Keep that in mind. -Eric -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] PPPoE The good, the bad and the ugly please

2007-04-09 Thread Eric Muehleisen
Once you encapsulate VoIP in PPPoE then QoS is unavailable to any device in the middle; which is where most of the bottlenecks in bandwidth are. So you gain something and lose something more important. We have moved all of our VOIP subscribers to DHCP w/ VLAN priorities that are mapped to

RE: [WISPA] PPPoE The good, the bad and the ugly please

2007-04-09 Thread Smith, Rick
so, ok, can't you use pppoe for just client - tower ? QoS them all right at the tower sites... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 9:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PPPoE The

Re: [WISPA] PPPoE The good, the bad and the ugly please

2007-04-09 Thread Eric Muehleisen
You could, but I think your QoS would get very crippled. Each device between your ATA/PC and core router/softswitch would need to be able to read your QoS markings within the PPPoE encapsulation. You simply cannot prioritize tagged packets within PPPoE encapsulation end-to-end very

Re: [WISPA] PPPoE The good, the bad and the ugly please

2007-04-09 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
why not use ap's that already have radius clients in them? Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[WISPA] PPPoE The good, the bad and the ugly please

2007-04-08 Thread John Scrivner
Are any of you running PPPoE on your client connections back to a PPPoE concentrator? Is this a good approach? I have heard that one big advantage of this is that you can setup Radius to set everything up for authentication very easily and that you can set every client up as their own

RE: [WISPA] PPPoE The good, the bad and the ugly please

2007-04-08 Thread Mac Dearman
Scriv, PPPOE is a great approach and is very affective, but it does have its disadvantages as well. The only thing I don't like about it is you need to have better than an average wireless connection. We try to do this on every install any way, but stuff just happens sometimes after the install.